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>Aren’t these cases different, the employers ask, given that an employer could refuse to hire a gay or transgender individual without ever learning the
by treis 6y ago
>Aren’t these cases different, the employers ask, given that an employer could refuse to hire a gay or transgender individual without ever learning the applicant’s sex? Sup-pose an employer asked homosexual or transgender appli-cants to tick a box on its application form. The employerthen had someone else redact any information that could beused to discern sex. The resulting applications would dis-close which individuals are homosexual or transgenderwithout revealing whether they also happen to be men or women. Doesn’t that possibility indicate that the employer’s discrimination against homosexual or transgender persons cannot be sex discrimination?
>No, it doesn’t. Even in this example, the individual ap-plicant’s sex still weighs as a factor in the employer’s deci-sion. Change the hypothetical ever so slightly and its flawsbecome apparent. Suppose an employer’s application formoffered a single box to check if the applicant is either black or Catholic. If the employer refuses to hire anyone whochecks that box, would we conclude the employer has com-plied with Title VII, so long as it studiously avoids learning any particular applicant’s race or religion? Of course not: By intentionally setting out a rule that makes hiring turn on race or religion, the employer violates the law, whatever he might know or not know about individual applicants.
This is shockingly bad logic. Their counter examples clearly have the employer learning the applicants race/religion. The fact that the employer uses crude definitons i.e. [Black/Not Black] and [Catholic/Not Catholic] doesn't change that. The employer simply redefined racial/religious groups to suit their particular needs.
- cdelsolar 6y agowhat are you talking about? no it doesn't. There are a myriad of different religions and races.
- dointheatl 6y agoI believe that in this hypothetical there is only a single checkbox [Either Catholic or Black/Neither Catholic nor Black], such that the employer will have learned neither the applicant's race nor their religion with certainty.
- treis 6y agoThey will know the applicant's race & religion within the classification system the employer uses. In other words, in the eyes of this hypothetical employer the racial system is Black & Not Black. By not checking the box they know for certain that the employee is Not Black and presumably eligible to be hired. The fact that others might subdivide Black or Not Black into different categories doesn't change anything for the employer.
- notahacker 6y agoSure, but the 'homosexual/heterosexual' classification system the other hypothetical employer uses is also intended to ensure that women are ineligible to be hired if they have the same sexual preferences as those men who are eligible to be hired, and vice versa. One could argue that this treats men and women 'separately, but equally' as both have the chance to be hired under different hiring criteria unlike the illustrative example, but 'separate but equal' is so well understood to be unconstitutional it's not really worth raising as a counterargument.