4 ms·Source added to post above because HN wasn't letting me respond to your post directly.by yodon 6y agoSource added to post above because HN wasn't letting me respond to your post directly.rendall 6y agoIt would be cool if you edited the wiki article, adding an alternate etymology, citing the 1911 E.B.yodon 6y agoWill do - will be my first wikipedia edit - thanks!