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European forces do not police cities where 18 people get killed in a day(Chicago just set a new record). Normal summer weekend you have at least couple dozen p

by tlear 6y ago

European forces do not police cities where 18 people get killed in a day(Chicago just set a new record). Normal summer weekend you have at least couple dozen people shot(not by cops, so you never hear about them)

DoingIsLearning 6y ago
This is a really important point and you are right that the level of gun violence is abysmally higher in the US. Nevertheless, a large percentage of situations can be de-escalated by police forces. What is even less acceptable, is that in many cases the escalation is originating from police officers. Which is why, to me, de-escalation and conflict management training is lacking among these officers. Going back to your point, it is a really complex issue and I am not going to claim a deep understanding of US society. There is a huge percentage of GDP spent on welfare in most EU countries, the welfare and safety nets put in place are (mostly) accepted in the EU because of a sense of solidarity and dignity and a mutual understanding that _anyone_ can be caught in a situation where they are facing social/family/health/finacial issues. Being misfortunate should not be punished with falling through the cracks of society. I get the impression that in the US this type of belief would be an outlier. However, putting aside the humanitarian values, there is a very practical and utilitarian aspect to EU welfare and social benefits programs, they actually detract people from marginal behaviour because it stops them from being pushed into a corner. There is a lot of evidence that social welfare safety nets reduce crime. Equally, there is evidence that insufficient welfare correlates with crime rise. [0] And this I think, is a huge cultural shift. The outrage in the US would be huge if we tried to rationalize that we have to take tax money from everyone, to give free-money to people on the fringes of society, in order to reduce gun violence. However, all the EU policies for the past 40 years confirm this reasoning. [0] Social determinants of health in relation to firearm-related homicides in the United States: A nationwide multilevel cross-sectional study, D. Kim, 2019 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002978 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...
- 6510 6y ago
  > de-escalation and conflict management training is lacking Hiring and firing by this metric is also lacking.

by tlear 6y ago

DoingIsLearning 6y ago

This is a really important point and you are right that the level of gun violence is abysmally higher in the US. Nevertheless, a large percentage of situations can be de-escalated by police forces. What is even less acceptable, is that in many cases the escalation is originating from police officers. Which is why, to me, de-escalation and conflict management training is lacking among these officers. Going back to your point, it is a really complex issue and I am not going to claim a deep understanding of US society. There is a huge percentage of GDP spent on welfare in most EU countries, the welfare and safety nets put in place are (mostly) accepted in the EU because of a sense of solidarity and dignity and a mutual understanding that _anyone_ can be caught in a situation where they are facing social/family/health/finacial issues. Being misfortunate should not be punished with falling through the cracks of society. I get the impression that in the US this type of belief would be an outlier. However, putting aside the humanitarian values, there is a very practical and utilitarian aspect to EU welfare and social benefits programs, they actually detract people from marginal behaviour because it stops them from being pushed into a corner. There is a lot of evidence that social welfare safety nets reduce crime. Equally, there is evidence that insufficient welfare correlates with crime rise. [0] And this I think, is a huge cultural shift. The outrage in the US would be huge if we tried to rationalize that we have to take tax money from everyone, to give free-money to people on the fringes of society, in order to reduce gun violence. However, all the EU policies for the past 40 years confirm this reasoning. [0] Social determinants of health in relation to firearm-related homicides in the United States: A nationwide multilevel cross-sectional study, D. Kim, 2019 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002978 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...

6510 6y ago
> de-escalation and conflict management training is lacking Hiring and firing by this metric is also lacking.