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I didn't say there were not any tradeoffs made to support those users with legacy systems. What do you define as a low end Surface line on x86? I have a Surfac

I didn't say there were not any tradeoffs made to support those users with legacy systems. What do you define as a low end Surface line on x86? I have a Surface Pro 1 that I still use to this day. I also have a GPD Win handheld that's running an Atom processor that is surprisingly good for what it is. I also have some older Atom based stick PCs that are pretty bad (only 2GB RAM), but those are designed for signage and kiosks, for which they are... adequate.

scarface74 6y ago
I see you are ignoring the low cost Surface computers that are meant to compete on price with the $329 10.2 inch iPad or even the $499 iPad Air. The iPads can actually run well with 2GB of RAM. Microsoft Office is a much better experience on an iPad without a keyboard than any hardware that Apple sells.
- slantyyz 6y ago
  The Atom-based Surfaces with the Atom x7-8700 - that's the same processor I have in my GPD-Win. It's more than usable for light users. Heck, its built-in GPU outperforms the one in my Surface Pro. While x86 Surface (not-pro) might have been "meant" to compete on price with iPads, I don't think that's how it worked out. I tend to think most of the people who will buy a low end x86 Surface want/need Windows in the first place. It's not a substitute for an iPad.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Have you compared the performance of the atom based Surface to the cheapest iPad?
    - slantyyz 6y ago
      That's an apples and oranges test, and the performance difference doesn't matter. They're for different target markets. I don't think anyone in their right mind considers a Surface as an alternative to an iPad. Just because they have similar form factors doesn't mean they're substitutes for one another. The things I run on my atom based handheld are only available on Windows.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        So the target market is people who want a really slow more expensive tablet with a horrible interface for touch? Microsoft’s own products run better on the low end iPad than the low end Surface. On top of that, the interface is better for touch. And Microsoft sells less Surfaces than Apple sells Macs, let alone iPads. This isn’t really saying much about the Windows being backwards compatible for ever (what started this thread) was a great strategy. https://investorplace.com/2018/10/surface-sales-propel-microsoft-into-top-5-u-s-pc-vendors/ https://investorplace.com/2018/10/surface-sales-propel-micro...

scarface74 6y ago

I see you are ignoring the low cost Surface computers that are meant to compete on price with the $329 10.2 inch iPad or even the $499 iPad Air. The iPads can actually run well with 2GB of RAM. Microsoft Office is a much better experience on an iPad without a keyboard than any hardware that Apple sells.

slantyyz 6y ago
The Atom-based Surfaces with the Atom x7-8700 - that's the same processor I have in my GPD-Win. It's more than usable for light users. Heck, its built-in GPU outperforms the one in my Surface Pro. While x86 Surface (not-pro) might have been "meant" to compete on price with iPads, I don't think that's how it worked out. I tend to think most of the people who will buy a low end x86 Surface want/need Windows in the first place. It's not a substitute for an iPad.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Have you compared the performance of the atom based Surface to the cheapest iPad?
  - slantyyz 6y ago
    That's an apples and oranges test, and the performance difference doesn't matter. They're for different target markets. I don't think anyone in their right mind considers a Surface as an alternative to an iPad. Just because they have similar form factors doesn't mean they're substitutes for one another. The things I run on my atom based handheld are only available on Windows.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      So the target market is people who want a really slow more expensive tablet with a horrible interface for touch? Microsoft’s own products run better on the low end iPad than the low end Surface. On top of that, the interface is better for touch. And Microsoft sells less Surfaces than Apple sells Macs, let alone iPads. This isn’t really saying much about the Windows being backwards compatible for ever (what started this thread) was a great strategy. https://investorplace.com/2018/10/surface-sales-propel-microsoft-into-top-5-u-s-pc-vendors/ https://investorplace.com/2018/10/surface-sales-propel-micro...