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Can we begin with the fact that this isn't even remotely in the same universe as a peer reviewed study? There's nothing to compare it to, there's no data on wha

Can we begin with the fact that this isn't even remotely in the same universe as a peer reviewed study? There's nothing to compare it to, there's no data on what the timeline is, there's no meta analysis of the different cases, what sparked the incidents, the outcomes, or how often non-violent confrontations or de-escalations happen, etc. Basically you're looking at a single specific dataset, like "number of children strangled", and deciding to extrapolate from that whatever you feel like, like "a systemic and perpetual abuse of mothers and babysitters power by evil matriarchs". Honestly, I credited this crowd with more brains. Horror porn is not an intellectual argument.

take_a_breath 6y ago
Is your comment an intellectual argument?
pjc50 6y ago
> "number of children strangled" At least in that case you wouldn't have people arguing that the kids deserved it. > Horror porn is not an intellectual argument. This isn't porn, this is filming reality as it happens. I know we're all a bit numbed, but this reminds me of the decisions by the Allied forces to document Auschwitz as well as possible when it was overrun, or how the BBC footage of the Ethiopian famine sparked Live Aid. The act of filming has a habit of cutting through all the pseudo-intellectual bullshit from those arguing in favour of the brutality.
- craftinator 6y ago
  > At least in that case you wouldn't have people arguing that the kids deserved it. Damn. Well that's the best rebuttle I'm going to see this week. > This isn't porn, this is filming reality as it happens. I know we're all a bit numbed, but this reminds me of the decisions by the Allied forces to document Auschwitz as well as possible when it was overrun, or how the BBC footage of the Ethiopian famine sparked Live Aid. The act of filming has a habit of cutting through all the pseudo-intellectual bullshit from those arguing in favour of the brutality. To add to this sentiment; this is literally what's going on in the USA right now. Obviously it isn't every cop in every city, or protesters would be exercising their 2nd amendment rights en masse. But these actions documented here are inarguably immoral, and IF they are legal, the law needs to be changed immediately. It's absolutely disgusting, and if seeing these videos of police brutality doesn't invoke that feeling in you, take some time to imagine it's you or your loved one getting beaten, maced, tear gassed. These forms of crowd control are immensely painful, pain that a lot of us have never felt, and they leave lasting damage.
- base698 6y ago
  You can be massively misleading even if you're filming reality as it happens. The first of the recent Atlanta shooting videos to air left out the part where you see the suspect point a taser at the police. Ie the video appears he was shot in the back, but security cam footage shows the full story.
  - MrMan 6y ago
    Autopsy says shot in the back twice.
    - base698 6y ago
      He pointed a taser at the police behind him in pursuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbf0x_K9i54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbf0x_K9i54
      - TeaDrunk 6y ago
        Tasers are nonlethal weapons, and also don't work at that range anyways, or the police would've tased him. Multiple other cops had tasers.
        base698 6y ago
        Some questions to be answered in the 1 second he points it at you: + How do you know your partner is behind you? + How do you know he won't take your gun after he uses the taser on you? + How do you know it was a taser? + Are you confident enough in those answers to miss your daughter's next birthday?
        craftinator 6y ago
        Have you seen the video? The cop drops his own taser and draws his firearm as the victim runs away. Why would he do that? Because he knows his taser is out of range, won't reach the victim. So he knows his taser has the stopping power of a nerf gun at that point. The corollary is that he knows the taser in the hands of the victim is also out of range, also has the stopping power of a nerf gun. After this is known, because it is known, he drops his taser and draws his pistol, which does have the range.
zepto 6y ago
Sounds like you aren’t sure that this represents a problem, and want a peer reviewed study to prove that to you. Is that correct?
golf3 6y ago
It reminds me of vegan documentaries, who think compilations of animal abuse are an argument.

take_a_breath 6y ago

Is your comment an intellectual argument?

pjc50 6y ago

> "number of children strangled" At least in that case you wouldn't have people arguing that the kids deserved it. > Horror porn is not an intellectual argument. This isn't porn, this is filming reality as it happens. I know we're all a bit numbed, but this reminds me of the decisions by the Allied forces to document Auschwitz as well as possible when it was overrun, or how the BBC footage of the Ethiopian famine sparked Live Aid. The act of filming has a habit of cutting through all the pseudo-intellectual bullshit from those arguing in favour of the brutality.

craftinator 6y ago
> At least in that case you wouldn't have people arguing that the kids deserved it. Damn. Well that's the best rebuttle I'm going to see this week. > This isn't porn, this is filming reality as it happens. I know we're all a bit numbed, but this reminds me of the decisions by the Allied forces to document Auschwitz as well as possible when it was overrun, or how the BBC footage of the Ethiopian famine sparked Live Aid. The act of filming has a habit of cutting through all the pseudo-intellectual bullshit from those arguing in favour of the brutality. To add to this sentiment; this is literally what's going on in the USA right now. Obviously it isn't every cop in every city, or protesters would be exercising their 2nd amendment rights en masse. But these actions documented here are inarguably immoral, and IF they are legal, the law needs to be changed immediately. It's absolutely disgusting, and if seeing these videos of police brutality doesn't invoke that feeling in you, take some time to imagine it's you or your loved one getting beaten, maced, tear gassed. These forms of crowd control are immensely painful, pain that a lot of us have never felt, and they leave lasting damage.
base698 6y ago
You can be massively misleading even if you're filming reality as it happens. The first of the recent Atlanta shooting videos to air left out the part where you see the suspect point a taser at the police. Ie the video appears he was shot in the back, but security cam footage shows the full story.
- MrMan 6y ago
  Autopsy says shot in the back twice.
  - base698 6y ago
    He pointed a taser at the police behind him in pursuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbf0x_K9i54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbf0x_K9i54
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      Tasers are nonlethal weapons, and also don't work at that range anyways, or the police would've tased him. Multiple other cops had tasers.
      - base698 6y ago
        Some questions to be answered in the 1 second he points it at you: + How do you know your partner is behind you? + How do you know he won't take your gun after he uses the taser on you? + How do you know it was a taser? + Are you confident enough in those answers to miss your daughter's next birthday?
        craftinator 6y ago
        Have you seen the video? The cop drops his own taser and draws his firearm as the victim runs away. Why would he do that? Because he knows his taser is out of range, won't reach the victim. So he knows his taser has the stopping power of a nerf gun at that point. The corollary is that he knows the taser in the hands of the victim is also out of range, also has the stopping power of a nerf gun. After this is known, because it is known, he drops his taser and draws his pistol, which does have the range.

zepto 6y ago

Sounds like you aren’t sure that this represents a problem, and want a peer reviewed study to prove that to you. Is that correct?

golf3 6y ago

It reminds me of vegan documentaries, who think compilations of animal abuse are an argument.