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I'm not saying that Greeks were genderfluid: I'm saying that their tendencies of sexual attraction ("orientation") weren't an abstraction they reached to to int
by scarmig 6y ago
I'm not saying that Greeks were genderfluid: I'm saying that their tendencies of sexual attraction ("orientation") weren't an abstraction they reached to to interpret their own realities and identities. They share the same biological territory as us, but a different map of it.
In the case of the Greeks, the abstraction they did reach to to organize desire was not homosexual/heterosexual but penetrator/penetrated, with women and young boys expected to be the penetrated and post-adolescent men the penetrator. And for men, at least, there was an expected flow and directionality from one to another; it wasn't expected to be immutable.
- goto11 6y agoI'm pointing out a literary source which contradict your claims. Not that the viewpoint of Plato was necessarily shared by everyone - Greece was not monolithic. But you specifically mentioned Plato.