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You do know that enforcing the law is the reason we have police in the first place? You're saying if people would only not break the law, then the police would

by Lutger 6y ago

You do know that enforcing the law is the reason we have police in the first place? You're saying if people would only not break the law, then the police would not misbehave. Yes, that's true of course, for there would be no police at all. So is the point then that police are naturally bound to misconduct, and it's the fault of citizens that they misbehave? This argument reminds me of the idea that men are naturally bound to sexually assault women who dress 'provocatively'. In every civilized country there are rules for what police can and cannot do. This is very important, as they are the primary institution which can legally use violence. If these rules are not held in high integrity, which they are not, then the legitimacy of this violence is eroded and trust in the nation state evaporates.

self_awareness 6y ago
The only point I was trying to make is that you've written it yourself: the police is allowed to use violence. How can you enforce the law for parties that ale not cooperating? You can do it only by using violence. And in some videos, I see a lot of people that are not cooperating. That's all. No more input from me, since I've already lost lots of karma for the original post ;p Also I don't want to get into the how-women-should-behave territory, sorry ;)
- deathanatos 6y ago
  The police are allowed the reasonable use of force when there is probable cause to support it. They are not allowed the unlimited use of force whenever they feel like it. That distinction is critical to this entire issue, and a lot of the outcry is over excessive use of force. Even framing it as you are — as violence — is already the wrong mindset I would want an officer to have. They should be using force, not violence, as a means of last resort to de-escalate a situation and ideally to cease any violence that's occurring.

by Lutger 6y ago

self_awareness 6y ago

The only point I was trying to make is that you've written it yourself: the police is allowed to use violence. How can you enforce the law for parties that ale not cooperating? You can do it only by using violence. And in some videos, I see a lot of people that are not cooperating. That's all. No more input from me, since I've already lost lots of karma for the original post ;p Also I don't want to get into the how-women-should-behave territory, sorry ;)

deathanatos 6y ago
The police are allowed the reasonable use of force when there is probable cause to support it. They are not allowed the unlimited use of force whenever they feel like it. That distinction is critical to this entire issue, and a lot of the outcry is over excessive use of force. Even framing it as you are — as violence — is already the wrong mindset I would want an officer to have. They should be using force, not violence, as a means of last resort to de-escalate a situation and ideally to cease any violence that's occurring.