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You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. A 'bunch of thugs' means one person who was being chased by a group of officers and beaten while he's

You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. A 'bunch of thugs' means one person who was being chased by a group of officers and beaten while he's trying to run. He's trying to get into a car to escape (admittedly a bad idea), then when they catch up to him they beat him up, throw him to the ground AND arrest the driver. The fact that you chose to take the video so far out of context means you're not here to argue in good faith at all. Said list isn't for people such as yourself, where no level of evidence could convince you.

bufferoverflow 6y ago
Ok, your correction is - one guy is doing it, not a bunch. I agree with your correction. Other than that, the point remains. They "arrest" the driver, because he is not following the police instructions to get out of the car, and is actively resisting the police. We don't know if he was actually arrested or just detained. I got handcuffed once and then let go, it wasn't an arrest.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Can you explain to me why the driver needed to be arrested, and why it was considered 'resisting arrest'? Try again, because you seem to still be spinning the story in a way as to try to favor the police. Even though I can agree the person running shouldn't have jumped into cars, why do you think the person driving deserve to be beaten too? If that was you in that situation, do you think you would deserve to be beaten up and arrested too? And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    We don't know if he was arrested. And if he was, and he did nothing wrong, he gets to sue the state for a nice payout. I would not sit in the car if the police ordered me out. So I wouldn't get beaten. I don't mess with the police. > And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him. As I told you. I got handcuffed and put in the back of a police car once. But it wasn't an arrest. They let me go. As a lawyer explained to me later, an arrest is a specific procedure, not just the fact of getting detained/handcuffed.
aganame 6y ago
You are probably also taking it out of context. You have no idea what has happened in that neighborhood in the last year or decade. You have no idea what those perps and officers have experienced. Right?
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- ViViDboarder 6y ago
  The last year or decade are irrelevant in terms of the law.
- danShumway 6y ago
  > in the last year or decade > what those perps and officers have experienced Both totally irrelevant to whether or not it's appropriate to punch a handcuffed prisoner in the face while they're not resisting. If a cop is suffering from PTSD or stress to the point where they can't keep themselves from assaulting a handcuffed prisoner, then I am genuinely very sorry for them, but they're still in the wrong job and they still need to be let go.
  - aganame 6y ago
    Have you ever had to restrain a person who might want to kill you? While wearing a firearm? I have done some grappling in MA myself, but I imagine the stakes are in another dimension on a real situation. I'm not totally certain there are any people who can be "good" at it in the sense that they'll never make mistakes or lose their cool. Then consider that there are over 10 million situations every year where something may go wrong. How could you make it never go wrong?
    - fzeroracer 6y ago
      You're making this argument in a thread where police have been found brutally beating people who are already restrained and/or not resisting arrest. People without firearms. Or people that are protesting peacefully. Or a 75 year old man who was entirely harmless. Come on.
barneygale 6y ago
> You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. The word you're looking for is "racist". Who knew HN comments could be worse than reddit?

bufferoverflow 6y ago

Ok, your correction is - one guy is doing it, not a bunch. I agree with your correction. Other than that, the point remains. They "arrest" the driver, because he is not following the police instructions to get out of the car, and is actively resisting the police. We don't know if he was actually arrested or just detained. I got handcuffed once and then let go, it wasn't an arrest.

fzeroracer 6y ago
Can you explain to me why the driver needed to be arrested, and why it was considered 'resisting arrest'? Try again, because you seem to still be spinning the story in a way as to try to favor the police. Even though I can agree the person running shouldn't have jumped into cars, why do you think the person driving deserve to be beaten too? If that was you in that situation, do you think you would deserve to be beaten up and arrested too? And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  We don't know if he was arrested. And if he was, and he did nothing wrong, he gets to sue the state for a nice payout. I would not sit in the car if the police ordered me out. So I wouldn't get beaten. I don't mess with the police. > And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him. As I told you. I got handcuffed and put in the back of a police car once. But it wasn't an arrest. They let me go. As a lawyer explained to me later, an arrest is a specific procedure, not just the fact of getting detained/handcuffed.

aganame 6y ago

You are probably also taking it out of context. You have no idea what has happened in that neighborhood in the last year or decade. You have no idea what those perps and officers have experienced. Right?

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ViViDboarder 6y ago
The last year or decade are irrelevant in terms of the law.
danShumway 6y ago
> in the last year or decade > what those perps and officers have experienced Both totally irrelevant to whether or not it's appropriate to punch a handcuffed prisoner in the face while they're not resisting. If a cop is suffering from PTSD or stress to the point where they can't keep themselves from assaulting a handcuffed prisoner, then I am genuinely very sorry for them, but they're still in the wrong job and they still need to be let go.
- aganame 6y ago
  Have you ever had to restrain a person who might want to kill you? While wearing a firearm? I have done some grappling in MA myself, but I imagine the stakes are in another dimension on a real situation. I'm not totally certain there are any people who can be "good" at it in the sense that they'll never make mistakes or lose their cool. Then consider that there are over 10 million situations every year where something may go wrong. How could you make it never go wrong?
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    You're making this argument in a thread where police have been found brutally beating people who are already restrained and/or not resisting arrest. People without firearms. Or people that are protesting peacefully. Or a 75 year old man who was entirely harmless. Come on.

barneygale 6y ago

> You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. The word you're looking for is "racist". Who knew HN comments could be worse than reddit?