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I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/s

I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. The second one was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero sympathy for the thug. If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it good, make it solid. Don't fill it with random junk to inflate the numbers.

fortytwo79 6y ago
I had the same experience. It was a video of a riot line of police with shields walking down the street, and people shooting fireworks at them. I welcome any content that shows events that the media isn't providing. But if someone is going to curate a list like this, don't sell it as something it's not.
- grey-area 6y ago
  You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?
    - rabidrat 6y ago
      I live basically in the CHAZ in Seattle, they haven't taken over anything. The police just abandoned the precinct building and left it unlocked and people are gathering peacefully to listen to other people speak. It's like a street festival or a farmer's market but with an explicit aim of stopping police from killing black people.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        Ah what's the end game? They were forced by leadership to abandon the area. That wasn't their choice to abandon their post. What are your thoughts on the 300+ black people murdered in Chicago so far in the past year by gang violence? You think that a CHAZ in Chicago would help those lives? You think defunding the police would lead to less or more deaths there overall?
        kenjackson 6y ago
        Police sure haven’t helped. Defunding and funding other areas probably helps reduce the murder rate.
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      The police abandoned the city blocks first. The intent was to purposefully set up a situation where cops can point to rioting in an area they intentionally vacated so riots could happen. Protestors have responded by sitting and watching documentaries about police brutality in that area.
      - pnako 6y ago
        Maybe this can set an example for the rest of the nation, then. There have been calls to abolish the police. If Seattle can do it, maybe Atlanta and Minneapolis too. I think that's the right answer: this should be a local decision and each community should decide the level of policing it wants (including none at all).
    - ncallaway 6y ago
      I downvoted you because I live in a Seattle, and this question shows a ignorance of the facts: “Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done?”
      - brigandish 6y ago
        A bare assertion followed by a bare refusal isn't much help. If you would instead provide some information, that would be a big help to all those of us who do not live in Seattle.
        chillwaves 6y ago
        If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say? All I know is Fox News has been caught photoshopping images and lying during their news broadcasts about these incidents.
        brigandish 6y ago
        > If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say? What is actually occurring, as I requested. It was a hint that the reply at least wasn't up to the standard of HN.
        chrisco255 6y ago
        They've taken over blocks, blocking traffic, stopping the flow of people and businesses into that area, they've disregarded state and local laws, etc. It's completely factual. Whatever Fox News has been doing to drum up hits on their website is completely irrelevant.
        exogen 6y ago
        This is a very accurate take that leads with some context before getting to the current situation: https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/hey-to-clarify-with-your-post-about-the-autonomous https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/he...
        6y ago
  - vlozko 6y ago
    Very unlikely. Fireworks use against the police more common that you think. You’re just not going to see that many videos of them as it doesn’t help the narrative. A buddy of mine is a cop who had the unfortunate duty of being one of the riot police in my city and it’s not easy to keep your cool while having rocks, fireworks, and almost a Molotov cocktail tossed at you.
    - deathgrips 6y ago
      Don't dish out what you can't take. I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. Also, if he can't keep his cool under those conditions, he has an obligation to change jobs because if he can't handle it he's just putting other people in danger.
      - WillPostForFood 6y ago
        >I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. LA Riots in 1992. Police pulled out to avoid conflict and it resulted in looting and burning for days until the National Guard showed up.
        deathgrips 6y ago
        You don't think police instigated violence when they killed Rodney King?
        sfj 6y ago
        >I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. (emphasis mine)
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fzeroracer 6y ago
You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. A 'bunch of thugs' means one person who was being chased by a group of officers and beaten while he's trying to run. He's trying to get into a car to escape (admittedly a bad idea), then when they catch up to him they beat him up, throw him to the ground AND arrest the driver. The fact that you chose to take the video so far out of context means you're not here to argue in good faith at all. Said list isn't for people such as yourself, where no level of evidence could convince you.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  Ok, your correction is - one guy is doing it, not a bunch. I agree with your correction. Other than that, the point remains. They "arrest" the driver, because he is not following the police instructions to get out of the car, and is actively resisting the police. We don't know if he was actually arrested or just detained. I got handcuffed once and then let go, it wasn't an arrest.
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    Can you explain to me why the driver needed to be arrested, and why it was considered 'resisting arrest'? Try again, because you seem to still be spinning the story in a way as to try to favor the police. Even though I can agree the person running shouldn't have jumped into cars, why do you think the person driving deserve to be beaten too? If that was you in that situation, do you think you would deserve to be beaten up and arrested too? And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him.
    - bufferoverflow 6y ago
      We don't know if he was arrested. And if he was, and he did nothing wrong, he gets to sue the state for a nice payout. I would not sit in the car if the police ordered me out. So I wouldn't get beaten. I don't mess with the police. > And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him. As I told you. I got handcuffed and put in the back of a police car once. But it wasn't an arrest. They let me go. As a lawyer explained to me later, an arrest is a specific procedure, not just the fact of getting detained/handcuffed.
kingofpandora 6y ago
> Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero sympathy for the thug. Even when one cop punches "the thug" in the face while he's being walked away while handcuffed?
- aganame 6y ago
  What would you have done in that situation?
  - fisherjeff 6y ago
    If you can’t not punch a handcuffed suspect, then you don’t deserve to be a cop. Simple.
    - dbuder 6y ago
      You lose your qualified immunity as it is clearly established that you may not assault someone who is restrained/in custody. If you watch he attacks the man multiple times and is even told/gestured to move away and stop doing that. He is fucked.
  - ViViDboarder 6y ago
    I don’t know. Probably not batter someone. And, if I did, I’d likely be arrested and charged.
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  - whynaut 6y ago
    I’m not sure how you can ask this in good faith.
  - reitanqild 6y ago
    This is covered in basic military and I guess also police training where I grew up. I only have brief military experience (draft) and yet I know very well that anyone in your custody are to be treated well or you get in trouble. Besides, staying professional is the right thing to do and police of all should be extremely concerned with doing the right thing IMO.
anonymoushn 6y ago
In your second link: At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. When the SUV stops, Adam is mobbed by cops and beaten. The driver Bob (a victim of having a cop push someone into his window) is detained, his hands zip-tied. A bystander Charlie who doesn't seem to do anything is also zip-tied. At 1:43 a cop seems to spit in Adam's face and punch him while he's cuffed and being escorted by other cops. Edited: In your first link: If soldiers block enemy soldiers inside a 1-block length of street and use chemical weapons on them while preventing them from dispersing, it's a war crime. I don't really know why it should be fine for cops to do it to randoms.
- specialist 6y ago
  At 0:32, Adam is apparently surrendering, a cop clubs him.
- nogridbag 6y ago
  > At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. This is the second time I've made a comment in defense of the police in a specific incident and if it's anything like last time I will be downvoted to oblivion. Do you have any information to support your claim? (another video perhaps?) I think false claims only hurt those in support of police reform. I'm not suggesting that's your intent. From the video in the parent post I don't understand how you reached your conclusion as I see something completely different. I see Adam attempting to enter one vehicle at 0:11 that drives off. Then he makes his second attempt with a different vehicle at 0:16 and clearly jumps into the window of an SUV. Stepping forward frame-by-frame it appears that the officer is pulling Adam's shirt[1] which would be the opposite of pushing him in. This is obviously just my opinion from that single video. [1] https://imgur.com/a/CdEoDO9 https://imgur.com/a/CdEoDO9
  - anonymoushn 6y ago
    I watched again and it looks like you're correct. Thanks.
hornetblack 6y ago
First one involves two groups of police sorrounding a group of protesters and tear gassing them. I don't how that can be considered a valid dispersal method (They could not disperse there were police on both sides) Also allegly firing Pepper balls above the waist which is incorrect usage. (There are marks on the walls well above head height) If you made it practically impossable to disburse when using what are basically torture devices in that situation I don't see how it isn't brutality.
specialist 6y ago
What's your definition, threshold for police brutality?
hintymad 6y ago
I didn't know about such stories. It is fair to ask for context of each videos. Videos are just like words, they can be taken out of context.
- andrei_says_ 6y ago
  In what context is it OK for a policeman to assault someone in handcuffs? Or shoot an accredited camera person in the eye with less than lethal ammunition designed to only be used by shooting at the pavement first?
nl 6y ago
> The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. Did you click through the link that post had? It goes to https://medium.com/@Jeff_Jackson/review-of-incident-in-charlotte-on-4th-street-on-the-evening-of-june-2nd-2963d4598500 https://medium.com/@Jeff_Jackson/review-of-incident-in-charl... which is pretty long, but about half way though shows an attack on protesters by police. Search for this: Here is what it looked, sounded, and felt like from the perspective of the protesters as the second police unit quickly appeared in front of them and detonated tear gas and a flashbang From then on it goes into a lot of depth about the tactics the police used to trap the crowd, teargas them and shot them with pepperballs.
gwd 6y ago
Re the second video, what I see is that at 0:33, the guy they're chasing starts to step out of the vehicle, and a police officer just whips out his baton and whacks him, unprovoked; and was about to whack him a second time when another officer intervenes. Furthermore, it looks like officer with the baton keeps looking for more opportunities to hit him as he's wrestled to the ground, and is only prevented by the fact that the guy is being mobbed by other officers. EDIT Also, around 1:37 it looks like someone kicks him when he's lying on the ground, and at 1:45 someone punches him when his hands are cuffed behind his back. That looks like an example of unnecessary force to me.
CathedralBorrow 6y ago
> If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it good, make it solid. Don't fill it with random junk to inflate the numbers. What I read is: If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it perfect and unassailable in every possible way. Because I only need to point skeptically at one thing to dismiss the whole lot.
- alexpetralia 6y ago
  I think that's not a fair reading of his comment. Is it not legitimate to want accurate sources of data? This does not mean slightly inaccurate data is unusable, simply that it is slightly inaccurate and this to some degree impugns its legitimacy (as it should).
  - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
    > Is it not legitimate to want accurate sources of data? Of course. I don't believe you honestly think that I am advocating for inaccurate sources of data. However, finding and discussing sources of different quality among hundreds is one thing. Saying that you only looked at two of them, expressing skepticism towards those two, and then stating that the whole thing is "filled" with "random junk to inflate the numbers" is another. That doesn't seem like the interpretation of someone who's honest about their intentions. If I read two sentences from your thesis, find issue with them, and then claim that you have clearly filled it with random junk to inflate the word count... yould you characterize my position as believing that some parts of your thesis are "slightly inaccurate and this to some degree impugns its legitimacy"?
    - alexpetralia 6y ago
      I didn't downvote you and I agree with many of your points. However personally speaking I would (and do) in fact discount a reading where even two sentences are highly suspect; it makes it not worth spending the time to read the rest of it. As another example, I work primarily in data analytics. If I produce a report where even a single number is wrong, it almost immediately calls into question all of the other reporting I produced (did they use the same unreliable source? what transformations did they apply? was any sanity checking performed?). And, as it should. Accuracy is incredibly important to making things appear legitimate.
DanBC 6y ago
> Which isn't an example of police brutality. Tear-gassing a crowd is police brutality. It'd be illegal to use tear gas in warfare; many police departments around the world have banned tear gas.

fortytwo79 6y ago

I had the same experience. It was a video of a riot line of police with shields walking down the street, and people shooting fireworks at them. I welcome any content that shows events that the media isn't providing. But if someone is going to curate a list like this, don't sell it as something it's not.

grey-area 6y ago
You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?
  - rabidrat 6y ago
    I live basically in the CHAZ in Seattle, they haven't taken over anything. The police just abandoned the precinct building and left it unlocked and people are gathering peacefully to listen to other people speak. It's like a street festival or a farmer's market but with an explicit aim of stopping police from killing black people.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      Ah what's the end game? They were forced by leadership to abandon the area. That wasn't their choice to abandon their post. What are your thoughts on the 300+ black people murdered in Chicago so far in the past year by gang violence? You think that a CHAZ in Chicago would help those lives? You think defunding the police would lead to less or more deaths there overall?
      - kenjackson 6y ago
        Police sure haven’t helped. Defunding and funding other areas probably helps reduce the murder rate.
  - TeaDrunk 6y ago
    The police abandoned the city blocks first. The intent was to purposefully set up a situation where cops can point to rioting in an area they intentionally vacated so riots could happen. Protestors have responded by sitting and watching documentaries about police brutality in that area.
    - pnako 6y ago
      Maybe this can set an example for the rest of the nation, then. There have been calls to abolish the police. If Seattle can do it, maybe Atlanta and Minneapolis too. I think that's the right answer: this should be a local decision and each community should decide the level of policing it wants (including none at all).
  - ncallaway 6y ago
    I downvoted you because I live in a Seattle, and this question shows a ignorance of the facts: “Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done?”
    - brigandish 6y ago
      A bare assertion followed by a bare refusal isn't much help. If you would instead provide some information, that would be a big help to all those of us who do not live in Seattle.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say? All I know is Fox News has been caught photoshopping images and lying during their news broadcasts about these incidents.
        brigandish 6y ago
        > If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say? What is actually occurring, as I requested. It was a hint that the reply at least wasn't up to the standard of HN.
        chrisco255 6y ago
        They've taken over blocks, blocking traffic, stopping the flow of people and businesses into that area, they've disregarded state and local laws, etc. It's completely factual. Whatever Fox News has been doing to drum up hits on their website is completely irrelevant.
      - exogen 6y ago
        This is a very accurate take that leads with some context before getting to the current situation: https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/hey-to-clarify-with-your-post-about-the-autonomous https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/he...
        6y ago
- vlozko 6y ago
  Very unlikely. Fireworks use against the police more common that you think. You’re just not going to see that many videos of them as it doesn’t help the narrative. A buddy of mine is a cop who had the unfortunate duty of being one of the riot police in my city and it’s not easy to keep your cool while having rocks, fireworks, and almost a Molotov cocktail tossed at you.
  - deathgrips 6y ago
    Don't dish out what you can't take. I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. Also, if he can't keep his cool under those conditions, he has an obligation to change jobs because if he can't handle it he's just putting other people in danger.
    - WillPostForFood 6y ago
      >I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. LA Riots in 1992. Police pulled out to avoid conflict and it resulted in looting and burning for days until the National Guard showed up.
      - deathgrips 6y ago
        You don't think police instigated violence when they killed Rodney King?
        sfj 6y ago
        >I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. (emphasis mine)
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fzeroracer 6y ago

You're being massively disingenuous in the second example. A 'bunch of thugs' means one person who was being chased by a group of officers and beaten while he's trying to run. He's trying to get into a car to escape (admittedly a bad idea), then when they catch up to him they beat him up, throw him to the ground AND arrest the driver. The fact that you chose to take the video so far out of context means you're not here to argue in good faith at all. Said list isn't for people such as yourself, where no level of evidence could convince you.

bufferoverflow 6y ago
Ok, your correction is - one guy is doing it, not a bunch. I agree with your correction. Other than that, the point remains. They "arrest" the driver, because he is not following the police instructions to get out of the car, and is actively resisting the police. We don't know if he was actually arrested or just detained. I got handcuffed once and then let go, it wasn't an arrest.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Can you explain to me why the driver needed to be arrested, and why it was considered 'resisting arrest'? Try again, because you seem to still be spinning the story in a way as to try to favor the police. Even though I can agree the person running shouldn't have jumped into cars, why do you think the person driving deserve to be beaten too? If that was you in that situation, do you think you would deserve to be beaten up and arrested too? And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    We don't know if he was arrested. And if he was, and he did nothing wrong, he gets to sue the state for a nice payout. I would not sit in the car if the police ordered me out. So I wouldn't get beaten. I don't mess with the police. > And try not putting 'arrest' in fear quotes, because they literally yanked him out of his car, threw him against his vehicle and arrested him. As I told you. I got handcuffed and put in the back of a police car once. But it wasn't an arrest. They let me go. As a lawyer explained to me later, an arrest is a specific procedure, not just the fact of getting detained/handcuffed.

kingofpandora 6y ago

> Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero sympathy for the thug. Even when one cop punches "the thug" in the face while he's being walked away while handcuffed?

aganame 6y ago
What would you have done in that situation?
- fisherjeff 6y ago
  If you can’t not punch a handcuffed suspect, then you don’t deserve to be a cop. Simple.
  - dbuder 6y ago
    You lose your qualified immunity as it is clearly established that you may not assault someone who is restrained/in custody. If you watch he attacks the man multiple times and is even told/gestured to move away and stop doing that. He is fucked.
- ViViDboarder 6y ago
  I don’t know. Probably not batter someone. And, if I did, I’d likely be arrested and charged.
- deleted 6y ago
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- whynaut 6y ago
  I’m not sure how you can ask this in good faith.
- reitanqild 6y ago
  This is covered in basic military and I guess also police training where I grew up. I only have brief military experience (draft) and yet I know very well that anyone in your custody are to be treated well or you get in trouble. Besides, staying professional is the right thing to do and police of all should be extremely concerned with doing the right thing IMO.

anonymoushn 6y ago

In your second link: At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. When the SUV stops, Adam is mobbed by cops and beaten. The driver Bob (a victim of having a cop push someone into his window) is detained, his hands zip-tied. A bystander Charlie who doesn't seem to do anything is also zip-tied. At 1:43 a cop seems to spit in Adam's face and punch him while he's cuffed and being escorted by other cops. Edited: In your first link: If soldiers block enemy soldiers inside a 1-block length of street and use chemical weapons on them while preventing them from dispersing, it's a war crime. I don't really know why it should be fine for cops to do it to randoms.

specialist 6y ago
At 0:32, Adam is apparently surrendering, a cop clubs him.
nogridbag 6y ago
> At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. This is the second time I've made a comment in defense of the police in a specific incident and if it's anything like last time I will be downvoted to oblivion. Do you have any information to support your claim? (another video perhaps?) I think false claims only hurt those in support of police reform. I'm not suggesting that's your intent. From the video in the parent post I don't understand how you reached your conclusion as I see something completely different. I see Adam attempting to enter one vehicle at 0:11 that drives off. Then he makes his second attempt with a different vehicle at 0:16 and clearly jumps into the window of an SUV. Stepping forward frame-by-frame it appears that the officer is pulling Adam's shirt[1] which would be the opposite of pushing him in. This is obviously just my opinion from that single video. [1] https://imgur.com/a/CdEoDO9 https://imgur.com/a/CdEoDO9
- anonymoushn 6y ago
  I watched again and it looks like you're correct. Thanks.

hornetblack 6y ago

First one involves two groups of police sorrounding a group of protesters and tear gassing them. I don't how that can be considered a valid dispersal method (They could not disperse there were police on both sides) Also allegly firing Pepper balls above the waist which is incorrect usage. (There are marks on the walls well above head height) If you made it practically impossable to disburse when using what are basically torture devices in that situation I don't see how it isn't brutality.

specialist 6y ago

What's your definition, threshold for police brutality?

hintymad 6y ago

I didn't know about such stories. It is fair to ask for context of each videos. Videos are just like words, they can be taken out of context.

andrei_says_ 6y ago
In what context is it OK for a policeman to assault someone in handcuffs? Or shoot an accredited camera person in the eye with less than lethal ammunition designed to only be used by shooting at the pavement first?

nl 6y ago

> The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. Did you click through the link that post had? It goes to https://medium.com/@Jeff_Jackson/review-of-incident-in-charlotte-on-4th-street-on-the-evening-of-june-2nd-2963d4598500 https://medium.com/@Jeff_Jackson/review-of-incident-in-charl... which is pretty long, but about half way though shows an attack on protesters by police. Search for this: Here is what it looked, sounded, and felt like from the perspective of the protesters as the second police unit quickly appeared in front of them and detonated tear gas and a flashbang From then on it goes into a lot of depth about the tactics the police used to trap the crowd, teargas them and shot them with pepperballs.

gwd 6y ago

Re the second video, what I see is that at 0:33, the guy they're chasing starts to step out of the vehicle, and a police officer just whips out his baton and whacks him, unprovoked; and was about to whack him a second time when another officer intervenes. Furthermore, it looks like officer with the baton keeps looking for more opportunities to hit him as he's wrestled to the ground, and is only prevented by the fact that the guy is being mobbed by other officers. EDIT Also, around 1:37 it looks like someone kicks him when he's lying on the ground, and at 1:45 someone punches him when his hands are cuffed behind his back. That looks like an example of unnecessary force to me.

CathedralBorrow 6y ago

> If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it good, make it solid. Don't fill it with random junk to inflate the numbers. What I read is: If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it perfect and unassailable in every possible way. Because I only need to point skeptically at one thing to dismiss the whole lot.

alexpetralia 6y ago
I think that's not a fair reading of his comment. Is it not legitimate to want accurate sources of data? This does not mean slightly inaccurate data is unusable, simply that it is slightly inaccurate and this to some degree impugns its legitimacy (as it should).
- CathedralBorrow 6y ago
  > Is it not legitimate to want accurate sources of data? Of course. I don't believe you honestly think that I am advocating for inaccurate sources of data. However, finding and discussing sources of different quality among hundreds is one thing. Saying that you only looked at two of them, expressing skepticism towards those two, and then stating that the whole thing is "filled" with "random junk to inflate the numbers" is another. That doesn't seem like the interpretation of someone who's honest about their intentions. If I read two sentences from your thesis, find issue with them, and then claim that you have clearly filled it with random junk to inflate the word count... yould you characterize my position as believing that some parts of your thesis are "slightly inaccurate and this to some degree impugns its legitimacy"?
  - alexpetralia 6y ago
    I didn't downvote you and I agree with many of your points. However personally speaking I would (and do) in fact discount a reading where even two sentences are highly suspect; it makes it not worth spending the time to read the rest of it. As another example, I work primarily in data analytics. If I produce a report where even a single number is wrong, it almost immediately calls into question all of the other reporting I produced (did they use the same unreliable source? what transformations did they apply? was any sanity checking performed?). And, as it should. Accuracy is incredibly important to making things appear legitimate.

DanBC 6y ago

> Which isn't an example of police brutality. Tear-gassing a crowd is police brutality. It'd be illegal to use tear gas in warfare; many police departments around the world have banned tear gas.