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One related issue, is that right now, in COVID times, unnecessary arrests, jailing, busing, etc. is in some abstract sense an application of potentially lethal

by avivo 6y ago

One related issue, is that right now, in COVID times, unnecessary arrests, jailing, busing, etc. is in some abstract sense an application of potentially lethal force -- since enclosed spaces and close contact makes COVID transmission significantly more likely. It seems important to understand how much that is happening and where. If that data, in combination with protest size/type data is available, it can help us better understand if protests or police are actually impacting COVID transmission (if either). If we don't have that data available as case numbers come in, it makes the narrative of blaming protesters much more likely to stick, even if it turns out to be inaccurate later, and e.g. the primary cause is unnecessary police actions. Is anyone doing this? (Does anyone want to start if not?)

throwaway888abc 6y ago
Where Covid rules apply: Home, Banks, Retail, Restaurants, Hospitals Yes Jails, Police station No Can you sue police if get sick ?
- dillonmckay 6y ago
  I assume that is part of ‘qualified immunity’. There is also the issue with police chiefs publicly declaring that they will not enforce the orders of their governor. So, that is a bigger problem to me... Deciding to only enforce the laws you ‘like’.
closed 6y ago
This is something bail funds in Philly track, and I'm guessing bails funds in other cities do too! Many cities committed to some degree at the beginning of the pandemic to reduce arrests / setting bail for minor crimes. (how well they've done that is often a matter of debate). The situation in local jails became a big issue at the beginning of the pandemic. I would reach out to a bail fund in your city (or read more on their web page) to see if there are useful ways to help their broader mission, which will include protestors :). Some useful context in this slate article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donations.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donat...
GhostVII 6y ago
By that same logic protesting is also an application of lethal force, since you are crowded in with thosands of other people.

by avivo 6y ago

throwaway888abc 6y ago

Where Covid rules apply: Home, Banks, Retail, Restaurants, Hospitals Yes Jails, Police station No Can you sue police if get sick ?

dillonmckay 6y ago
I assume that is part of ‘qualified immunity’. There is also the issue with police chiefs publicly declaring that they will not enforce the orders of their governor. So, that is a bigger problem to me... Deciding to only enforce the laws you ‘like’.

closed 6y ago

This is something bail funds in Philly track, and I'm guessing bails funds in other cities do too! Many cities committed to some degree at the beginning of the pandemic to reduce arrests / setting bail for minor crimes. (how well they've done that is often a matter of debate). The situation in local jails became a big issue at the beginning of the pandemic. I would reach out to a bail fund in your city (or read more on their web page) to see if there are useful ways to help their broader mission, which will include protestors :). Some useful context in this slate article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donations.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donat...

GhostVII 6y ago

By that same logic protesting is also an application of lethal force, since you are crowded in with thosands of other people.