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I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situ

I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situation has gotten here. I'm saddened for my country and hope that this can be a turning point for all of us.

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echo419 6y ago
One of the threads that was eye-opening for me was Greg Doucette's (a lawyer in North Carolina among other things) ongoing Twitter thread with Pics/Video of police brutality as it relates to peaceful protesters/bystanders. It's currently at 500+ instances of police brutality. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634
- cbsmith 6y ago
  There's a tab in the spreadsheet just from that thread.
  - echo419 6y ago
    Thanks for pointing that out! Obviously I should have read the spreadsheet/link beforehand, but I hope linking the Twitter thread here directly also helped some people as well.
- MisterBastahrd 6y ago
  Those 500+ incidents are since May 30.
  - cbsmith 6y ago
    ...and then there's the other tabs.
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ars 6y ago
Just be a bit cautious with lists like this: Last time lists like this were posted, most of the links were false accusations, or just someone claiming something, with no way to know the truth. (I spent some time trying to verify until I realized there were far more false accusations than true, and then I give it up as pointless.) Of course even one instance of brutality is too much, but take numbers like this which a huge grain of salt.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Similarly, don't view every list as likely full of false accusations because one you checked was full of false accusations. This one seems meticulously crafted.
- dylan604 6y ago
  If you browse the list and feel that it is worth sounding an alarm for being fake, then feel free to do that. I don't think that's what you are doing though, and just sounding a Chicken Little alarm. The list is pretty chilling with video evidence. Really hard to fake this stuff.
- mimixco 6y ago
  These are nearly all videos which are pretty self-explanatory (and horrifying).
  - encom 6y ago
    I'm not arguing for or against the list being fake, but just because there's a video doesn't mean it's real or relevant. For example, the other day there was a video being posted around of alleged police brutality, where an officer was using force to arrest some woman. The video was 1) from 2018 2) conveniently trimmed to exclude the first part where the woman was resisting arrest. There are plenty of people trying to push a narrative right now, so just be very critical of the information presented to you. Source: https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-bellevue-police-officer-placing-woman-into-chokehold/ https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-belle...
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bufferoverflow 6y ago
Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have examples of rapes, unjustified murders and beatings, entrapment. They are extremely rare. I think last year the police in the US killed 9 unarmed black men and 21 unarmed white men.
- kingofpandora 6y ago
  > Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. 400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these get swept under the rug, so I'm willing to bet that there are a fair few more than 400 examples of police brutality.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    I agree that there are more than 400, we know that just by the number of people getting shot. Now, how many are unjustified? That's the important question.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... just under 1000 police involved shootings each year. Can't find the source, but of these only about 47 were un-armed and most of those involved protecting someone else from a physical attack.
      - commoner 6y ago
Aloha 6y ago
I believe strongly that George Floyds death and the reactions thereafter are to a majority of the nation, the same as the 16th Street Church Bombing was in 1963, its a turning point in making people aware of the real costs of our problems with policing. The fact is, I'm a white dude in my mid-30's, I make a tech salary, and I'm afraid of the police, because an officer with a hair up somewhere could ruin my life for a period of time, if not for good.
- newguy1234 6y ago
  Same here. When I see police, I just think, don't go near them or bother them at all. I actively avoid police if I can unless there are a bunch of other people around (concert, sporting event etc.). The fear I think is more along the lines that police can detain you, arrest you and so on. So I just figure, why chance it? I optimize for lowest risk and I view police as an unnecessary risk.

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echo419 6y ago

One of the threads that was eye-opening for me was Greg Doucette's (a lawyer in North Carolina among other things) ongoing Twitter thread with Pics/Video of police brutality as it relates to peaceful protesters/bystanders. It's currently at 500+ instances of police brutality. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634

cbsmith 6y ago
There's a tab in the spreadsheet just from that thread.
- echo419 6y ago
  Thanks for pointing that out! Obviously I should have read the spreadsheet/link beforehand, but I hope linking the Twitter thread here directly also helped some people as well.
MisterBastahrd 6y ago
Those 500+ incidents are since May 30.
- cbsmith 6y ago
  ...and then there's the other tabs.

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ars 6y ago

Just be a bit cautious with lists like this: Last time lists like this were posted, most of the links were false accusations, or just someone claiming something, with no way to know the truth. (I spent some time trying to verify until I realized there were far more false accusations than true, and then I give it up as pointless.) Of course even one instance of brutality is too much, but take numbers like this which a huge grain of salt.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
Similarly, don't view every list as likely full of false accusations because one you checked was full of false accusations. This one seems meticulously crafted.
dylan604 6y ago
If you browse the list and feel that it is worth sounding an alarm for being fake, then feel free to do that. I don't think that's what you are doing though, and just sounding a Chicken Little alarm. The list is pretty chilling with video evidence. Really hard to fake this stuff.
mimixco 6y ago
These are nearly all videos which are pretty self-explanatory (and horrifying).
- encom 6y ago
  I'm not arguing for or against the list being fake, but just because there's a video doesn't mean it's real or relevant. For example, the other day there was a video being posted around of alleged police brutality, where an officer was using force to arrest some woman. The video was 1) from 2018 2) conveniently trimmed to exclude the first part where the woman was resisting arrest. There are plenty of people trying to push a narrative right now, so just be very critical of the information presented to you. Source: https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-bellevue-police-officer-placing-woman-into-chokehold/ https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-belle...
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bufferoverflow 6y ago

Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have examples of rapes, unjustified murders and beatings, entrapment. They are extremely rare. I think last year the police in the US killed 9 unarmed black men and 21 unarmed white men.

kingofpandora 6y ago
> Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. 400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these get swept under the rug, so I'm willing to bet that there are a fair few more than 400 examples of police brutality.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  I agree that there are more than 400, we know that just by the number of people getting shot. Now, how many are unjustified? That's the important question.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... just under 1000 police involved shootings each year. Can't find the source, but of these only about 47 were un-armed and most of those involved protecting someone else from a physical attack.
    - commoner 6y ago

Aloha 6y ago

I believe strongly that George Floyds death and the reactions thereafter are to a majority of the nation, the same as the 16th Street Church Bombing was in 1963, its a turning point in making people aware of the real costs of our problems with policing. The fact is, I'm a white dude in my mid-30's, I make a tech salary, and I'm afraid of the police, because an officer with a hair up somewhere could ruin my life for a period of time, if not for good.

newguy1234 6y ago
Same here. When I see police, I just think, don't go near them or bother them at all. I actively avoid police if I can unless there are a bunch of other people around (concert, sporting event etc.). The fear I think is more along the lines that police can detain you, arrest you and so on. So I just figure, why chance it? I optimize for lowest risk and I view police as an unnecessary risk.