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I don't understand why you are arguing these points at me. I didn't say anything about whites. Unarmed Asians being killed less by police and Asians being capab

I don't understand why you are arguing these points at me. I didn't say anything about whites. Unarmed Asians being killed less by police and Asians being capable of racism doesn't mean Asian Americans are privileged lol. What are you trying to say bro? Just come out and say it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Anyway, Asians did not succeed from a position of privilege. They succeeded in spite of everything the American voter (largely white) voted for to keep them down.

deogeo 6y ago
> I didn't say anything about whites. When you say "odds are stacked against" someone, you have to compare to some other group to see what the "default" odds are. And privilege is not limited to the law. If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, because of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Or because you just don't believe such a thing happens, despite evidence to the contrary [1,2]? [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW14470321.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW... [2] https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/ https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouragin...
- Ghjklov 6y ago
  >If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, Untrue, I have not claimed this anywhere or have implied such a thing.
  - deogeo 6y ago
    Claiming Asians in the US have never benefited from privilege implies exactly that, unless you tweak the definition of privilege depending on what group you're judging.
the_omegist 6y ago
I am not Asian and don't live in the US but i think you're forcing it a little on the drama. Sure the first Asians immigrants didn't have it easy. But since the 70s, Asian people benefit from a positive stereotype overall. In the job or education market, I can't see how you can argue Asian people have it harder than white people.
- Ghjklov 6y ago
  There's no positive stereotypes. Given the stereotype that Asians are smart, what happens to impoverished Asians who did not have a good education and upbringing and aren't as smart as others? They get demoralized and are cast aside in many cases. I don't see how you could ever come to the conclusion that Asian people don't have it harder than white people given the wiki links I've provided. Given how American/white culture often disrespects and mocks Asian culture and classifies them as uncreative followers unfit to lead. Asian success is not proof that Asians are privileged or have it easier than other people. Asian success came in spite of everything done to them in this country. They put their head down and gave their sweat and blood to get where they are now.
  - the_omegist 6y ago
    Of course stereotypes can be positive (see the links provided). Either depending on the context or for the group overall. And, moreover, a stereotype doesn't come from nowhere. It's based on some factual truth. So because some Asians aren't smart the fact Asians in general are seen as smart is bad for them? Why not see it from a different perspective : Asians that aren't so smart still benefit from the image that they are and may still get some advantage from it. And you think there are no stereotypes about white people? Russians are alcoholics, latin people are ... etc. I think you're using "white" to mean WASP. You can't have it all : if they're praised for being studious and disciplined they can't also be seen as super nonconformists and rebelles... Both type of traits involve a different mental structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect

deogeo 6y ago

> I didn't say anything about whites. When you say "odds are stacked against" someone, you have to compare to some other group to see what the "default" odds are. And privilege is not limited to the law. If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, because of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Or because you just don't believe such a thing happens, despite evidence to the contrary [1,2]? [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW14470321.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW... [2] https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/ https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouragin...

Ghjklov 6y ago
>If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, Untrue, I have not claimed this anywhere or have implied such a thing.
- deogeo 6y ago
  Claiming Asians in the US have never benefited from privilege implies exactly that, unless you tweak the definition of privilege depending on what group you're judging.

the_omegist 6y ago

I am not Asian and don't live in the US but i think you're forcing it a little on the drama. Sure the first Asians immigrants didn't have it easy. But since the 70s, Asian people benefit from a positive stereotype overall. In the job or education market, I can't see how you can argue Asian people have it harder than white people.

Ghjklov 6y ago
There's no positive stereotypes. Given the stereotype that Asians are smart, what happens to impoverished Asians who did not have a good education and upbringing and aren't as smart as others? They get demoralized and are cast aside in many cases. I don't see how you could ever come to the conclusion that Asian people don't have it harder than white people given the wiki links I've provided. Given how American/white culture often disrespects and mocks Asian culture and classifies them as uncreative followers unfit to lead. Asian success is not proof that Asians are privileged or have it easier than other people. Asian success came in spite of everything done to them in this country. They put their head down and gave their sweat and blood to get where they are now.
- the_omegist 6y ago
  Of course stereotypes can be positive (see the links provided). Either depending on the context or for the group overall. And, moreover, a stereotype doesn't come from nowhere. It's based on some factual truth. So because some Asians aren't smart the fact Asians in general are seen as smart is bad for them? Why not see it from a different perspective : Asians that aren't so smart still benefit from the image that they are and may still get some advantage from it. And you think there are no stereotypes about white people? Russians are alcoholics, latin people are ... etc. I think you're using "white" to mean WASP. You can't have it all : if they're praised for being studious and disciplined they can't also be seen as super nonconformists and rebelles... Both type of traits involve a different mental structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect