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WikiLeaks 9/11 Files

87 points by talonbragg 6y ago

MiscIdeaMaker99 6y ago
I feel a bit lost as to what we're looking at here.
- ivanvanderbyl 6y ago
  A quick google search seems to indicate this is Pager data for a 48 hour window around 9/11.
inshadows 6y ago
Sample: 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0476499] A ALPHA THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 1890 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064376] C ALPHA GOVPX TREASURY 30__99.03 /05+5.437 10_101.09 /10 4.835 5Y_101.08+.................................................................. 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064377] C ALPHA ........................................................................... 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0000329] C ALPHA .................. 2001-09-11 03:03:02 Metrocall [0000329] C ALPHA RIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 1890 2001-09-11 03:03:03 Skytel [0001048] C ALPHA PERFORMANCE FEED TRANSMITTED 0301 HR. MORGAN ADVISED. H.M.-COMMAND CENTER 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [0895403] C ALPHA THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 6712 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [1425048] C ALPHA 300~MPfetchData:openConnectionToManager:ERROR CONNECTING:192.168.35.97 : www36 connectToServerPort:socket/socket timed out at /home/crdtdrv/cred> 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Skytel {1079475} 3 1200 50413 2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [002286026] C ALPHA 5060>>>>> 2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [1545041] A ALPHA Frm: fax@act0911.com Txt: smtp.cfgg.org is UP It looks like IRC log from Irssi.
- mike_d 6y ago
  This is the log of pager (beeper) traffic on 9/11. Because pagers are unencrypted broadcast traffic, it is routinely collected by people for fun. Someone turned the logs from NY over to Wikileaks and they created a public archive. It was released in 2009. https://911.wikileaks.org/ https://911.wikileaks.org/
bonyt 6y ago
Are these different from the ones published over 10 years ago? https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ...
- ryanlol 6y ago
  no
jtchang 6y ago
What exactly is this? Looks like some sort of messages that were captured on a cellular network or something? There are messages about rebooting servers (something like alerts) and just general marketing spam.
- jakeogh 6y ago
  It's an oldschool txt pager caputre. They are unencrypted over the air. This data is not new[1], and it does originally source from wikileaks. It starts before the first aircraft impact[2]. There is a link in my profile that covers the same timeframe. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20100911151142/http://911datasets.org/index.php/9/11_Pager_Intercepts https://web.archive.org/web/20100911151142/http://911dataset... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20160405052531/http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/World_Trade_Center_Jet_Impact_Seismic_Signals https://web.archive.org/web/20160405052531/http://911encyclo...
fearingreprisal 6y ago
Does someone know the source for this? Is there a Wikileaks page available authenticating this? I can't find one.
- GEBBL 6y ago
  The tbragg account seems to be a student?
  - talonbragg 6y ago
    Yes I am a student.
- moonchild 6y ago
  It claims to originate at https://file.wikileaks.org/file/ https://file.wikileaks.org/file/. It's probably 9-11_all_messages.7z or 9-11_messages.7z.
  - talonbragg 6y ago
    The file structure comes from 9-11_messages.7z
the_optimist 6y ago
Seems to be the same as: https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html
ponsin 6y ago
While this is nothing "secret" or new (originally released on 2010) it is interesting to see how some people reacted at first. Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack. Although I did get excited, I was hoping for more information about flight 93.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack. Why do you find this interesting? I'm genuinely curious. As a civilian, until the second plane crashed an accident seemed like the most likely explanation. And it wasn't clear what happened at the Pentagon for a while.
  - ponsin 6y ago
    I don't know how old you are but when it happened I was more interested in watching the cool explosions on TV. In fact, there are some people here who probably weren't even alive when it happened. I'm not saying that it is surprising how people reacted, but rather it gives me a glimpse into how people felt. Similarly I would be interested in how the public opinion of Hitler changed. There are quotes from some German Jewish leaders in the 30s saying that Hitler should get more power. I too would be interested in understanding how the opinions changed.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      I sort of assumed you weren't alive. I was in high school and remember watching the news reporting a plane had crashed into the tower with an unknown cause then later that there was an explosion then fire at the Pentagon. Finding that surprising is foreign to me, and I wondered if younger people had the impression that it was immediately clear that it was a terrorist attack. The historiography of WWII has significantly downplayed Hitler's popularity before the war, however many Jewish leaders remaining in Germany were not speaking for the Jewish population.
aaron695 6y ago
This is a old leak. More interesting is I've yet to read a write up of where the leak came from, the question asked when it came out - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/leaked_911_text.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/leaked_911_te... Is it reasonable (not is it possible) a private citizen was at the time recording all pager traffic? Can you read them passively and is it location based and does this data fit with that? If it's not totally passive, would the network notice you vacuuming them all up?
- YuccaGloriosa 6y ago
  Yes, It's totally reasonable that someone could have been routinely capturing all the pager data. Normally over a very large service area (possibly nationally) Yes, the data can be captured passively. It's just data (sounds a bit like old fashioned modems ) being broadcast over radio frequency. You just hook up a radio scanner to a pc, and run software to decode the tone, creating a huge text log, that contains all the messages.
stordoff 6y ago
Nothing immediately jumps out at me as being terribly important, but it's interesting to see how it was initially reported as a "small plane" then became a "commuter type plane" and "twin eng plane", alongside various vague references to an "explosion", or a "fire", and a few speculations that it was a bomb. I've never really thought about how confusing those first few minutes must have been (I was 11 at the time, and didn't see it until after the second plane had crashed, so it was fairly obvious what had happened). The Guardian has an article here <https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ... summarising it (dated 25 Nov 2009), though I might include: > 2001-09-11 08:47:46 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA Someone just told me there was an explosion at > [...] > 2001-09-11 08:47:48 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA wtc....BR in their list of defining moments, as it seems to be the first reference to the events.
thatlongthrow1 6y ago
These are pager dumps re-released by Wikileaks cause I guess they don't have anything else going on for them. Fun stuff though, the standard is called POCSAG and you can still decode over the air pager signals. Not that you should do that.
fit2rule 6y ago
I miss Wikileaks. I'm looking forward to whatever replaces it coming online. It seems that Assange is headed for the grave - I wonder if the leaks will continue, anyway?
- jakeogh 6y ago
  Not naturally. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273988
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    I concur, Assange is being slowly tortured to death while awaiting this sham trial. But I do think the leaks will continue. Those of us paying attention to the Assange saga have seen a new wave of evidence of crimes against humanity being prepared for release. This problem is NOT going away for the American people. The magnitude of the crime is just too large.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
      >sham trial. How is it a sham trial?
      - fit2rule 6y ago
        Because Assange has not been allowed to defend himself, by any stretch of the imagination whatsoever.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
        When you are accused of a crime where do you typically go to defend yourself?
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87 points by talonbragg 6y ago

MiscIdeaMaker99 6y ago

I feel a bit lost as to what we're looking at here.

ivanvanderbyl 6y ago
A quick google search seems to indicate this is Pager data for a 48 hour window around 9/11.

inshadows 6y ago

Sample: 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0476499] A ALPHA THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 1890 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064376] C ALPHA GOVPX TREASURY 30__99.03 /05+5.437 10_101.09 /10 4.835 5Y_101.08+.................................................................. 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064377] C ALPHA ........................................................................... 2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0000329] C ALPHA .................. 2001-09-11 03:03:02 Metrocall [0000329] C ALPHA RIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 1890 2001-09-11 03:03:03 Skytel [0001048] C ALPHA PERFORMANCE FEED TRANSMITTED 0301 HR. MORGAN ADVISED. H.M.-COMMAND CENTER 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [0895403] C ALPHA THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER 6712 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [1425048] C ALPHA 300~MPfetchData:openConnectionToManager:ERROR CONNECTING:192.168.35.97 : www36 connectToServerPort:socket/socket timed out at /home/crdtdrv/cred> 2001-09-11 03:03:05 Skytel {1079475} 3 1200 50413 2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [002286026] C ALPHA 5060>>>>> 2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [1545041] A ALPHA Frm: fax@act0911.com Txt: smtp.cfgg.org is UP It looks like IRC log from Irssi.

mike_d 6y ago
This is the log of pager (beeper) traffic on 9/11. Because pagers are unencrypted broadcast traffic, it is routinely collected by people for fun. Someone turned the logs from NY over to Wikileaks and they created a public archive. It was released in 2009. https://911.wikileaks.org/ https://911.wikileaks.org/

bonyt 6y ago

Are these different from the ones published over 10 years ago? https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ...

ryanlol 6y ago
no

jtchang 6y ago

What exactly is this? Looks like some sort of messages that were captured on a cellular network or something? There are messages about rebooting servers (something like alerts) and just general marketing spam.

jakeogh 6y ago
It's an oldschool txt pager caputre. They are unencrypted over the air. This data is not new[1], and it does originally source from wikileaks. It starts before the first aircraft impact[2]. There is a link in my profile that covers the same timeframe. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20100911151142/http://911datasets.org/index.php/9/11_Pager_Intercepts https://web.archive.org/web/20100911151142/http://911dataset... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20160405052531/http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/World_Trade_Center_Jet_Impact_Seismic_Signals https://web.archive.org/web/20160405052531/http://911encyclo...

fearingreprisal 6y ago

Does someone know the source for this? Is there a Wikileaks page available authenticating this? I can't find one.

GEBBL 6y ago
The tbragg account seems to be a student?
- talonbragg 6y ago
  Yes I am a student.
moonchild 6y ago
It claims to originate at https://file.wikileaks.org/file/ https://file.wikileaks.org/file/. It's probably 9-11_all_messages.7z or 9-11_messages.7z.
- talonbragg 6y ago
  The file structure comes from 9-11_messages.7z

the_optimist 6y ago

Seems to be the same as: https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html

ponsin 6y ago

While this is nothing "secret" or new (originally released on 2010) it is interesting to see how some people reacted at first. Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack. Although I did get excited, I was hoping for more information about flight 93.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
>Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack. Why do you find this interesting? I'm genuinely curious. As a civilian, until the second plane crashed an accident seemed like the most likely explanation. And it wasn't clear what happened at the Pentagon for a while.
- ponsin 6y ago
  I don't know how old you are but when it happened I was more interested in watching the cool explosions on TV. In fact, there are some people here who probably weren't even alive when it happened. I'm not saying that it is surprising how people reacted, but rather it gives me a glimpse into how people felt. Similarly I would be interested in how the public opinion of Hitler changed. There are quotes from some German Jewish leaders in the 30s saying that Hitler should get more power. I too would be interested in understanding how the opinions changed.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    I sort of assumed you weren't alive. I was in high school and remember watching the news reporting a plane had crashed into the tower with an unknown cause then later that there was an explosion then fire at the Pentagon. Finding that surprising is foreign to me, and I wondered if younger people had the impression that it was immediately clear that it was a terrorist attack. The historiography of WWII has significantly downplayed Hitler's popularity before the war, however many Jewish leaders remaining in Germany were not speaking for the Jewish population.

aaron695 6y ago

This is a old leak. More interesting is I've yet to read a write up of where the leak came from, the question asked when it came out - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/leaked_911_text.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/leaked_911_te... Is it reasonable (not is it possible) a private citizen was at the time recording all pager traffic? Can you read them passively and is it location based and does this data fit with that? If it's not totally passive, would the network notice you vacuuming them all up?

YuccaGloriosa 6y ago
Yes, It's totally reasonable that someone could have been routinely capturing all the pager data. Normally over a very large service area (possibly nationally) Yes, the data can be captured passively. It's just data (sounds a bit like old fashioned modems ) being broadcast over radio frequency. You just hook up a radio scanner to a pc, and run software to decode the tone, creating a huge text log, that contains all the messages.

stordoff 6y ago

Nothing immediately jumps out at me as being terribly important, but it's interesting to see how it was initially reported as a "small plane" then became a "commuter type plane" and "twin eng plane", alongside various vague references to an "explosion", or a "fire", and a few speculations that it was a bomb. I've never really thought about how confusing those first few minutes must have been (I was 11 at the time, and didn't see it until after the second plane had crashed, so it was fairly obvious what had happened). The Guardian has an article here <https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ... summarising it (dated 25 Nov 2009), though I might include: > 2001-09-11 08:47:46 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA Someone just told me there was an explosion at > [...] > 2001-09-11 08:47:48 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA wtc....BR in their list of defining moments, as it seems to be the first reference to the events.

thatlongthrow1 6y ago

These are pager dumps re-released by Wikileaks cause I guess they don't have anything else going on for them. Fun stuff though, the standard is called POCSAG and you can still decode over the air pager signals. Not that you should do that.

fit2rule 6y ago

I miss Wikileaks. I'm looking forward to whatever replaces it coming online. It seems that Assange is headed for the grave - I wonder if the leaks will continue, anyway?

jakeogh 6y ago
Not naturally. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273988
- fit2rule 6y ago
  I concur, Assange is being slowly tortured to death while awaiting this sham trial. But I do think the leaks will continue. Those of us paying attention to the Assange saga have seen a new wave of evidence of crimes against humanity being prepared for release. This problem is NOT going away for the American people. The magnitude of the crime is just too large.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
    >sham trial. How is it a sham trial?
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      Because Assange has not been allowed to defend himself, by any stretch of the imagination whatsoever.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
        When you are accused of a crime where do you typically go to defend yourself?
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