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So your argument is the government is lying about this so it can target Chinese American researchers who did properly disclose and are doing everything right?

So your argument is the government is lying about this so it can target Chinese American researchers who did properly disclose and are doing everything right? And what evidence do you have of Chinese American researchers being unfairly prosecuted or held to different standards? It seems to be a common frame among those defending China that the US is still the way it was in the 1950s. Which I guess makes sense, given that under Xi China is descending into a type of Neo-Maoism. I imagine Chinese propagandists are dusting off a lot of the old talking points. At any rate, China's "mistake" from that perspective is that they integrated Capitalism as much as they have over the last 40 years. They are no longer viewed as a "Communist" threat by many Americans, they're viewed (correctly) as a dictatorship. There is no philosophical debate to be had, the Chinese love capitalism just as much as Americans do. No, they're just a straight-up underhanded dictatorship trying to seize as much power as it can. Americans know how to process that sort of threat.

evidencebased 6y ago
My argument is that certain questions need to be asked instead of taking the headline at face value, given the history of questionable actions by the US government and media when it comes foreign nations. If you've read the article or looked at the linked resources, it's obvious that this campaign is directed towards China, and therefore Chinese or Chinese-American researchers. One question that should be immediately obvious to ask is: how are the targets chosen in this investigation? Is it a blanket investigation of all scientists of a certain seniority in certain fields regardless of nationality or race? It seems to be a common frame among those attacking China that China is still the way it was in the 1950s. Which I guess makes sense, given that under Trump/Obama, the US is descending back into McCarthyism. I imagine American propagandists are dusting off a lot of the old talking points. From my experience, the general American public still think China is communist. I agree regarding China and capitalism, but a dictatorship it is not. If you were to compare China's foreign policy with that of the US, it fairly obvious that China is simply trying to build itself up through economic means, but the US feels threatened by the competition so it uses underhanded tactics such as smearing China in every MSM outlet, banning US companies from doing business with Chinese companies, banning Chinese technology, etc. It's almost identical to what it did to Japan back in the days which is why you're running Intel or AMD today instead of Fujitsu, Hitachi, Toshiba.
- ipsocannibal 6y ago
  A dictatorship it is not? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276 https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-karakax-document-intl-hnk/ https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-ch... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838 If it walks like duck and talks like a duck it must totally not be a dictatorship. /s

evidencebased 6y ago

My argument is that certain questions need to be asked instead of taking the headline at face value, given the history of questionable actions by the US government and media when it comes foreign nations. If you've read the article or looked at the linked resources, it's obvious that this campaign is directed towards China, and therefore Chinese or Chinese-American researchers. One question that should be immediately obvious to ask is: how are the targets chosen in this investigation? Is it a blanket investigation of all scientists of a certain seniority in certain fields regardless of nationality or race? It seems to be a common frame among those attacking China that China is still the way it was in the 1950s. Which I guess makes sense, given that under Trump/Obama, the US is descending back into McCarthyism. I imagine American propagandists are dusting off a lot of the old talking points. From my experience, the general American public still think China is communist. I agree regarding China and capitalism, but a dictatorship it is not. If you were to compare China's foreign policy with that of the US, it fairly obvious that China is simply trying to build itself up through economic means, but the US feels threatened by the competition so it uses underhanded tactics such as smearing China in every MSM outlet, banning US companies from doing business with Chinese companies, banning Chinese technology, etc. It's almost identical to what it did to Japan back in the days which is why you're running Intel or AMD today instead of Fujitsu, Hitachi, Toshiba.

ipsocannibal 6y ago
A dictatorship it is not? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276 https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-karakax-document-intl-hnk/ https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-ch... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838 If it walks like duck and talks like a duck it must totally not be a dictatorship. /s