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Sounds reasonable. Lets see those investigations from other nations concerning US actions. Please do link to these occurrences as they will further the discus
by ipsocannibal 6y ago
Sounds reasonable. Lets see those investigations from other nations concerning US actions. Please do link to these occurrences as they will further the discussion of the role of espionage in scientific research.
- fit2rule 6y agoPerhaps you've heard of the Crypto AG case, where the CIA infiltrated a foreign company and used its resources to spy on countless other countries, usurp intellectual property from foreign businesses, and used their moles in Crypto AG to give American companies an unfair market advantage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-... This was one of Snowden's big revelations - America had been using Crypto AG (a Swiss company) to infiltrate and usurp countless other foreign businesses, to give American companies a distinct advantage - FOR DECADES, since the 70's!!! (Also, it is quite well known that the CIA runs Germany's BND. Does China's intelligence agency run the intelligence agencies of any other sovereign nation, that you know of?) This is the pot. And the kettle is also black, btw.
- bhk 6y agoDo you have any evidence of this? I could not find any mention of secrets being shared with companies in the (very long) article you linked.
- fit2rule 6y agoWell, you can start your research into this goldmine of details about the USA's many stages of industrial espionage right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Industrial_espionage_as_part_of_US_foreign_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Industria... Find out what Edward Snowden has to say about it: https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502 https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-snowden-germany/snowden-says-nsa-engages-in-industrial-espionage-tv-idUSBREA0P0DE20140126 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-snowden-germany/... .. and then, if you're still so interested, investigate what was stolen from Siemens (Germany) and Petrobras (Brasil) and France Telecom .. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/05/help-wanted-spying-allies/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/05/help-wanted-spy... Careful, though. Its probably illegal for American citizens to find out too much about this.
- ipsocannibal 6y agoMost of this information appears to be readily accessable from the US. Let me know when you find that report where a US citizen was arrested or charged for reading any of this.
- fit2rule 6y agoSibel Edmonds.
- ipsocannibal 6y agoSo is your argument that the US spys so it shouldn't look for potential cases of foreign spying in its own country? That seems kind of naive. In light of your argument transparency in research funding becomes even more important BECAUSE the US government spies so readily not in spite of it. The US can only expect countries to try to treat it in the manner its treats them so we should be looking for it. This article highlights the looking for it part.
- fit2rule 6y agoThe point is, the claimed moral authority over China's spying activities is a tribalist fallacy, because after all, when it comes to using the intelligence services of the state to usurp progress in other countries, America leads the way. If the US were really treated the way it treats other countries, Chicago would be a pile of smoking ruin and a sizeable portion of the American population would be trying to find refuge.
- evidencebased 6y agoNo need. Straight from the horse's mouth: Secretary of State and former CIA director Mike Pompeo: "we lied, we cheated, we stole..."