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It's weird that people like a particular browswer for a number of its feature, but are upset about a change that makes it worse?

randomsearch 6y ago
Chrome is the new IE. Some sites don’t work (well) with others browsers, so people are annoyed when the browser they are forced to use does stupid things.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  Before Edge came out, I always preferred IE11 over Chrome (on machines that only had those two installed), because IE11 kept the legacy "must compete with Netscape" features like decent contentEditable context menus. And websites that didn't work in IE11 generally weren't worth using anyway. Now… well, IE11 doesn't even support ES6 properly, and good sites have started relying on that, and Edge is just evil Chrome – unless it's got Firefox installed, Chrome's your only option. But sites that use Chrome-only APIs aren't worth using anyway. (Oh, wait, Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program.)
  - grey_earthling 6y ago
    Zoom works in Firefox. And there are alternatives to Zoom, e.g. Jitsi.
  - ekimekim 6y ago
    > Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program ...and the malwarey desktop program is also Chrome.
    - wizzwizz4 6y ago
      The backdoor part isn't Chrome, though, is it? (If it's a Node.js script bundled with yet another copy of V8, I'll scream.)
- cageface 6y ago
  This analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. I also don't understand why everyone is up with pitchforks at Google on this when Apple did the same thing to URLs a while ago. I guess engineers are just as susceptible to groupthink as anyone else.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >This analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. They do kind of do that. Rather than going through the consensus process for getting a web standard added, they implement it in chrome then unilaterally write a standard for themselves. See for example, the SGX (signed exchange) "standard" they pushed out.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    Most people don't use apple.
    - cageface 6y ago
      Apple is massively popular in the US. The last few projects I've worked on our users were 50% iOS Safari.
tjoff 6y ago
Yes, it is kind of weird to like a browser where the company behind it are actively working against the web when there are decent alternatives (arguably better alternatives) that does not contribute to a monopoly that we can not break. Do you think IE6 was bad? Remember how long it took to get rid of it? Imagine a world where the monopoly leader doesn't just walk away from the browser (which is what MS did with IE6) but actively abuses the situation. It will be orders of magnitude worse. Say hi to amp. Say hi to chrome. Say hi to google. Say goodbye to the web.
- toyg 6y ago
  > Remember how long it took to get rid of it? I suspect a lot of people in this conversation are not old enough to remember, even if they wanted to. Maybe universities should have an obligation to promote nonprofit tools (i.e. Firefox) rather than shady commercial software that only happens to be gratis.
throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
It's weird that they complain yet don't actually switch.

randomsearch 6y ago

Chrome is the new IE. Some sites don’t work (well) with others browsers, so people are annoyed when the browser they are forced to use does stupid things.

wizzwizz4 6y ago
Before Edge came out, I always preferred IE11 over Chrome (on machines that only had those two installed), because IE11 kept the legacy "must compete with Netscape" features like decent contentEditable context menus. And websites that didn't work in IE11 generally weren't worth using anyway. Now… well, IE11 doesn't even support ES6 properly, and good sites have started relying on that, and Edge is just evil Chrome – unless it's got Firefox installed, Chrome's your only option. But sites that use Chrome-only APIs aren't worth using anyway. (Oh, wait, Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program.)
- grey_earthling 6y ago
  Zoom works in Firefox. And there are alternatives to Zoom, e.g. Jitsi.
- ekimekim 6y ago
  > Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program ...and the malwarey desktop program is also Chrome.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    The backdoor part isn't Chrome, though, is it? (If it's a Node.js script bundled with yet another copy of V8, I'll scream.)
cageface 6y ago
This analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. I also don't understand why everyone is up with pitchforks at Google on this when Apple did the same thing to URLs a while ago. I guess engineers are just as susceptible to groupthink as anyone else.
- gruez 6y ago
  >This analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. They do kind of do that. Rather than going through the consensus process for getting a web standard added, they implement it in chrome then unilaterally write a standard for themselves. See for example, the SGX (signed exchange) "standard" they pushed out.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  Most people don't use apple.
  - cageface 6y ago
    Apple is massively popular in the US. The last few projects I've worked on our users were 50% iOS Safari.

tjoff 6y ago

Yes, it is kind of weird to like a browser where the company behind it are actively working against the web when there are decent alternatives (arguably better alternatives) that does not contribute to a monopoly that we can not break. Do you think IE6 was bad? Remember how long it took to get rid of it? Imagine a world where the monopoly leader doesn't just walk away from the browser (which is what MS did with IE6) but actively abuses the situation. It will be orders of magnitude worse. Say hi to amp. Say hi to chrome. Say hi to google. Say goodbye to the web.

toyg 6y ago
> Remember how long it took to get rid of it? I suspect a lot of people in this conversation are not old enough to remember, even if they wanted to. Maybe universities should have an obligation to promote nonprofit tools (i.e. Firefox) rather than shady commercial software that only happens to be gratis.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

It's weird that they complain yet don't actually switch.