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I switched to Firefox years ago and never looked back.
by curiousgal 6y ago
I switched to Firefox years ago and never looked back.
- nxpnsv 6y agoIt is weird not more people just respond this way rather than getting all worked up about it...
- Angostura 6y agoIt's weird that people like a particular browswer for a number of its feature, but are upset about a change that makes it worse?
- randomsearch 6y agoChrome is the new IE. Some sites don’t work (well) with others browsers, so people are annoyed when the browser they are forced to use does stupid things.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoBefore Edge came out, I always preferred IE11 over Chrome (on machines that only had those two installed), because IE11 kept the legacy "must compete with Netscape" features like decent contentEditable context menus. And websites that didn't work in IE11 generally weren't worth using anyway. Now… well, IE11 doesn't even support ES6 properly, and good sites have started relying on that, and Edge is just evil Chrome – unless it's got Firefox installed, Chrome's your only option. But sites that use Chrome-only APIs aren't worth using anyway. (Oh, wait, Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program.)
- grey_earthling 6y agoZoom works in Firefox. And there are alternatives to Zoom, e.g. Jitsi.
- ekimekim 6y ago> Zoom needs either Chrome or a malwarey desktop program ...and the malwarey desktop program is also Chrome.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoThe backdoor part isn't Chrome, though, is it? (If it's a Node.js script bundled with yet another copy of V8, I'll scream.)
- cageface 6y agoThis analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. I also don't understand why everyone is up with pitchforks at Google on this when Apple did the same thing to URLs a while ago. I guess engineers are just as susceptible to groupthink as anyone else.
- gruez 6y ago>This analogy would work if Google was deliberately holding back new features on the web to favor its proprietary operating system but in fact the situation is pretty much the opposite. They do kind of do that. Rather than going through the consensus process for getting a web standard added, they implement it in chrome then unilaterally write a standard for themselves. See for example, the SGX (signed exchange) "standard" they pushed out.
- amanaplanacanal 6y agoMost people don't use apple.
- cageface 6y agoApple is massively popular in the US. The last few projects I've worked on our users were 50% iOS Safari.
- tjoff 6y agoYes, it is kind of weird to like a browser where the company behind it are actively working against the web when there are decent alternatives (arguably better alternatives) that does not contribute to a monopoly that we can not break. Do you think IE6 was bad? Remember how long it took to get rid of it? Imagine a world where the monopoly leader doesn't just walk away from the browser (which is what MS did with IE6) but actively abuses the situation. It will be orders of magnitude worse. Say hi to amp. Say hi to chrome. Say hi to google. Say goodbye to the web.
- toyg 6y ago> Remember how long it took to get rid of it? I suspect a lot of people in this conversation are not old enough to remember, even if they wanted to. Maybe universities should have an obligation to promote nonprofit tools (i.e. Firefox) rather than shady commercial software that only happens to be gratis.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoIt's weird that they complain yet don't actually switch.
- cryptica 6y agoPasswords and bookmarks are in Chrome. That's the main point of friction. But I do re-evaluate Firefox from time to time. So far there has often been small things which made me reluctant. I think this feature is important enough for me to consider switching this time.
- curiousgal 6y agoYou can easily transfer those to Firefox. That being said, I admit that staright out of the box Firefox doesn't have the same experience but you can customize every little thing about it to make it suit your needs.
- toyg 6y agoThat’s too close for comfort to the Windows/Linux comparison. This said, I honestly don’t understand what people mean when they say the experience is “superior” in Chrome. It’s a web browser. It browses. You get passwords saved and synchronised. Everything else is an extension. What’s so bad about FF...?
- CyanBird 6y agoI would love to get comments from Chrome users I just could not live without firefox and being unable to share tabs/links from anywhere in my phone to my desktop and or laptop
- fastball 6y agoYou can do that with Chrome if you are signed in.
- kjakm 6y agoAs a Safari user it boggles my mind that Firefox's send to device feature is considered good at all. All my Safari tabs are automatically synced to my phone at all times with no intervention needed from me. It's one of the few things keeping me from switching to Firefox actually.
- shagabutdinov 6y agohttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1628162 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1628162
- boomboomsubban 6y agoA two month old bug they're trying to fix keeps you from switching? Is it present in the ESR?
- nxpnsv 6y agoI need more context to judge. But I am sure there occasionally are bugs in chrome too...
- cannedslime 6y agoFirefox donating to what is literally a encrypted message service for open societies foundation agitprop groups is what made me purge firefox from all my systems. I'd rather be tracked up the A by google for commercial purposes than supporting anti-democratic agitprop bullshit.
- tuukkah 6y agoYou do realise that you don't get to choose between getting tracked by Google or "supporting" the goals of Mozilla Foundation (such as freedom of speech for all including your political enemies)? That is, by choosing Chrome you also "support" any and all political goals of Google (such as replacing the open web with AMP).
- cannedslime 6y agoSadly, yes I realize that.
- YarickR2 6y agoCould you please clarify what are you talking about ?
- cannedslime 6y agoMozilla donated to riseup.net some years ago, after they shunned Brendan Eich from his own creation. Riseup.net is a encrypted mail service for OSF agitprop groups.
- GoToRO 6y agoI never switched away from Firefox. I am old enough to know that nothing comes free, especially from a Big Corporation. As customers, all we can do is to always keep a good alternative alive, no matter what.
- Keloo 6y agoBut Chrome is not free (well kind of). It saves lot's of money in royalties for Google (because Google search is the default search engine in Chrome). So even if it's 'free' it saves money for Google.
- fastball 6y agoFirefox isn't free either. It's just paid for by Google.
- andai 6y agoThe other day I heard Firefox described as Google's antitrust lawsuit insurance...
- AsyncAwait 6y agoThat doesn't mean it's behavior is the same.
- fastball 6y ago
- saurik 6y agoGiven that Firefox slowly adds all the things we hate about Chrome due to the argument "we need to compete for normal users", how much do you want to bet Firefox will hide the URL in a few months (and even remove the setting that lets you change it)? :(
- amanzi 6y agoFirefox is already doing this! I recently had to dive into the about:config to find a setting that was hiding part of the URL. Although I can no longer find the setting that I configured so perhaps this has been changed in a recent update? Edit - found it: the setting "browser.urlbar.trimURLs" hides the "http://" http://" protocol if it's used. I do a lot of local development and found it annoying that Firefox was hiding it.
- JBiserkov 6y agoThanks for this! Turned it off. I guess I haven't noticed because my focus was always attracted to the padlock with a red line through it in front of the URL.
- AsyncAwait 6y agoExcept in Chrome, you don't even get a flag.