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And use good water, and follow best practices for whatever brewing method you prefer. Failing any of these (including getting quality beans that are recently b

by blunte 6y ago

And use good water, and follow best practices for whatever brewing method you prefer. Failing any of these (including getting quality beans that are recently brewed), and your coffee may be much worse than it needs to be. I despise Nestle business and social practices, but a Nespresso machine with Nespresso pods is probably the best coffee that most people could hope to make.

Roritharr 6y ago
That's what I mean, if you don't intend to become a weird coffee person black coffee is just not a pleasurable experience for most people. Starbucks made coffee appealing for a vast amount of the population by legitimising to drink 350ml of milk with lots of sugar by adding an espresso. If you are part of this crowd, the sad truth is that zero carb energy drinks are the more realistic morning beverage alternative for you.
- barry-cotter 6y ago
  > if you don't intend to become a weird coffee person black coffee is just not a pleasurable experience for most people. Black coffee is the bomb. Don’t care if it’s Starbucks, Peet’s, FamilyMart, 7-11, it is the superior method of caffeine consumption, whether you like espresso, Americano or some other variety. I do not care about coffee snob stuff but coffee is best served black. Speaking personally. De gustibus non est disputandum.
httpsterio 6y ago
Roasted *, but I disagree. Nespresso is easy, but it's expensive and even at best it tastes like hot garbage. You can grab aeropress for like 30 dollars and throw in a metal filter for like 5 dollars and that's already capable of making single cups of excellent coffee for years. My current aeropress and filter are from 2012 and I'm not really in need of an upgrade any time soon so it's honestly a very affordable brewing device. I do agree on the beans though, freshly roasted beans are more expensive and on top of that a grinder would also be a good idea. You can get a decent electric burr grinder around here for a bit over 60 dollars. On average, I buy both cheap and expensive beans, the cheaper ones are around 10 dollars per kilo and the more expensive ones are around 60 to 70 dollars per kilo. Quick maths tells me that a 8oz cup of the cheaper stuff comes down to about 13 cents and the more expensive one just under a dollar so definitely cheaper than any cafe and this is 3rd wave artisan type coffee we're talking about. Aeropress is basically idiot proof as well, anyone can make a decent cup of coffee with it so I don't really buy into the Nespresso argument here either. For an investment of under a hundred bucks, you can most definitely enjoy extremely good black coffee at home with very palatable running costs as well. I'm happy to expand if anyone has _any_ coffee related questions.
- Roritharr 6y ago
  As someone who has just started the journey towards coffee snobbery, I quickly had the impression that the grinder is the most important piece of kit needed, but from my research the electric burr grinders <300$ were hot garbage that produce very uneven coffee grounds, resulting in a very hard to control brew. But this is just YouTube and Reddit knowledge, would you agree? I currently have my eyes on a Niche Zero grinder, but at 560€ it's quite the investment. If you then buy a Chemex, V60, Aeropress or any other brewing method is a question of choice, but don't forget to filter your water before using it... My point is that this effort is not feasible for most people. If my morning drink takes me more effort than getting showered and dressed, i'll probably forgo it 90% of the time. I'm working on this form of laziness, but that's the willpower/patience most people have to live with. In addition there is a whole host of other reasons why something that's easy and routine for you can be quite vexing for other people. Opening a can takes less then ten seconds, we're already talking about a harsh diet change, we don't have to make it harder than necessary for people.
  - ValentineC 6y ago
    > I quickly had the impression that the grinder is the most important piece of kit needed, but from my research the electric burr grinders <300$ were hot garbage that produce very uneven coffee grounds, resulting in a very hard to control brew. The Baratza Encore is $139 on Amazon, and should be sufficient for pourovers of any kind.
- blunte 6y ago
  Chances are, the average Joe (pun intended) will not make a better cup than Nespresso, at least based on this ( https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/03/nespresso-sold-at-michelin-starred-restaurants.html https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/03/nespresso-sold-at-micheli... ) and this ( https://www.businessinsider.com/baristas-are-going-obsolete-2015-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/baristas-are-going-obsolete-... ). Of course, if you pour bad water into your machine, you're still not going to get the best you could get regardless of which method you use. And I wasn't speaking anything about price (where Nespresso loses). Nor was I speaking of convenience (where Nespresso is great for 1-2 cups at a time). I used an Aeropress for years, and it is tricky to get consistent results; plus it's a bit of a cleanup chore. Also, there's still the question of whether to use the Aeropress the way it was intended, or instead to do the upside-down brief-brew method. I currently happily use a standard Melitta brewer where I can put good beans, freshly ground, and good water in and then get 10 cups of coffee 10 minutes later. My partner and I wouldn't enjoy our liesurely outdoor coffee time nearly as much if one of us were having to run back in the house and make a new Aeropress coffee every 15 minutes. (Incidentally, make the pot of coffee and then pour it into a pre-warmed thermal carafe. It's not good to keep cooking it on the burner.)

by blunte 6y ago

Roritharr 6y ago

That's what I mean, if you don't intend to become a weird coffee person black coffee is just not a pleasurable experience for most people. Starbucks made coffee appealing for a vast amount of the population by legitimising to drink 350ml of milk with lots of sugar by adding an espresso. If you are part of this crowd, the sad truth is that zero carb energy drinks are the more realistic morning beverage alternative for you.

barry-cotter 6y ago
> if you don't intend to become a weird coffee person black coffee is just not a pleasurable experience for most people. Black coffee is the bomb. Don’t care if it’s Starbucks, Peet’s, FamilyMart, 7-11, it is the superior method of caffeine consumption, whether you like espresso, Americano or some other variety. I do not care about coffee snob stuff but coffee is best served black. Speaking personally. De gustibus non est disputandum.

httpsterio 6y ago

Roasted *, but I disagree. Nespresso is easy, but it's expensive and even at best it tastes like hot garbage. You can grab aeropress for like 30 dollars and throw in a metal filter for like 5 dollars and that's already capable of making single cups of excellent coffee for years. My current aeropress and filter are from 2012 and I'm not really in need of an upgrade any time soon so it's honestly a very affordable brewing device. I do agree on the beans though, freshly roasted beans are more expensive and on top of that a grinder would also be a good idea. You can get a decent electric burr grinder around here for a bit over 60 dollars. On average, I buy both cheap and expensive beans, the cheaper ones are around 10 dollars per kilo and the more expensive ones are around 60 to 70 dollars per kilo. Quick maths tells me that a 8oz cup of the cheaper stuff comes down to about 13 cents and the more expensive one just under a dollar so definitely cheaper than any cafe and this is 3rd wave artisan type coffee we're talking about. Aeropress is basically idiot proof as well, anyone can make a decent cup of coffee with it so I don't really buy into the Nespresso argument here either. For an investment of under a hundred bucks, you can most definitely enjoy extremely good black coffee at home with very palatable running costs as well. I'm happy to expand if anyone has _any_ coffee related questions.

Roritharr 6y ago
As someone who has just started the journey towards coffee snobbery, I quickly had the impression that the grinder is the most important piece of kit needed, but from my research the electric burr grinders <300$ were hot garbage that produce very uneven coffee grounds, resulting in a very hard to control brew. But this is just YouTube and Reddit knowledge, would you agree? I currently have my eyes on a Niche Zero grinder, but at 560€ it's quite the investment. If you then buy a Chemex, V60, Aeropress or any other brewing method is a question of choice, but don't forget to filter your water before using it... My point is that this effort is not feasible for most people. If my morning drink takes me more effort than getting showered and dressed, i'll probably forgo it 90% of the time. I'm working on this form of laziness, but that's the willpower/patience most people have to live with. In addition there is a whole host of other reasons why something that's easy and routine for you can be quite vexing for other people. Opening a can takes less then ten seconds, we're already talking about a harsh diet change, we don't have to make it harder than necessary for people.
- ValentineC 6y ago
  > I quickly had the impression that the grinder is the most important piece of kit needed, but from my research the electric burr grinders <300$ were hot garbage that produce very uneven coffee grounds, resulting in a very hard to control brew. The Baratza Encore is $139 on Amazon, and should be sufficient for pourovers of any kind.
blunte 6y ago
Chances are, the average Joe (pun intended) will not make a better cup than Nespresso, at least based on this ( https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/03/nespresso-sold-at-michelin-starred-restaurants.html https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/03/nespresso-sold-at-micheli... ) and this ( https://www.businessinsider.com/baristas-are-going-obsolete-2015-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/baristas-are-going-obsolete-... ). Of course, if you pour bad water into your machine, you're still not going to get the best you could get regardless of which method you use. And I wasn't speaking anything about price (where Nespresso loses). Nor was I speaking of convenience (where Nespresso is great for 1-2 cups at a time). I used an Aeropress for years, and it is tricky to get consistent results; plus it's a bit of a cleanup chore. Also, there's still the question of whether to use the Aeropress the way it was intended, or instead to do the upside-down brief-brew method. I currently happily use a standard Melitta brewer where I can put good beans, freshly ground, and good water in and then get 10 cups of coffee 10 minutes later. My partner and I wouldn't enjoy our liesurely outdoor coffee time nearly as much if one of us were having to run back in the house and make a new Aeropress coffee every 15 minutes. (Incidentally, make the pot of coffee and then pour it into a pre-warmed thermal carafe. It's not good to keep cooking it on the burner.)