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Where are you going to store this thing? Pay for the power? Cool it? Replace failing hardware? As someone who works for a company with over 150 data centers ar

Where are you going to store this thing? Pay for the power? Cool it? Replace failing hardware? As someone who works for a company with over 150 data centers around the world, I know space and power is always one of our biggest expenses.

threeseed 6y ago
You can just store it at the datacenter. Many of them offer a service which allows you to drop off your hardware and they will manage the power, cooling, even repairs and replacement for a monthly fee.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > You can just store it at the datacenter. What do you think is ‘the’ data centre? There’s no single universal data centre. And most people don’t have a data centre, or access to one.
  - threeseed 6y ago
    Actually everyone has access to managed data centre services. It’s called co-location where you buy rack space in one of the core data centre hubs in each city. Been available for many years and it’s very affordable e.g. a few hundred a month.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      Not sure why you said 'the data centre' rather than 'a data centre' though. Not sure if you think there's one massive data centre for the whole world?
      - vladvasiliu 6y ago
        I think GP said "the datacenter" rather than "a datacenter" in the same way they would say they have a computer at "the office" and not at "an office". Even though there's no "massive office for the whole world".
      - coldtea 6y ago
        Aren't you a native english speaker? At "the X" is a common idiom. E.g. people say "you can buy carrots at the grocery store" despite there being multiple such stores. "At the datacentre" doesn't imply one universal datacentre. It just informs you of which kind of facility you can use.
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        Isn't 'the' a definite article. You use it when you mean a single definite instance of something. If you mean something in general you use an indefinite article, like 'a'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Definite_article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Definite_art... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Indefinite_article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Indefinite_a... "you can buy carrots at a grocery store" "you can buy carrots at the grocery store over there"
        coldtea 6y ago
        From the same page you've linked: The definite article can also be used in English to indicate a specific class among other classes: The cabbage white butterfly lays its eggs on members of the Brassica genus. And from other sources: We also use the definite article: to say something about all the things referred to by a noun: The wolf is not really a dangerous animal. (= Wolves are not really dangerous animals.) The kangaroo is found only in Australia. (= Kangaroos are found only in Australia.) The heart pumps blood around the body. (= Hearts pump blood around bodies.) We use the definite article in this way to talk about musical instruments: Joe plays the piano really well. She is learning the guitar. to refer to a system or service: How long does it take on the train? I heard it on the radio. You should tell the police.
  - vladvasiliu 6y ago
    It's pretty easy to get access to "a" datacenter. Just look up one that's around you and give them a call. I've done just that for the company I work for a few years ago. It's a pretty big DC provider, even AWS has a presence there. For a flat monthly fee, we get a full rack with cooling and power.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Almost everybody has access to a datacenter. There are countless datacenters that will host any machine you drop them, or you can rent their machines...
- maccard 6y ago
  Surely you need to consider that monthly fee in your cost comparisons too then?
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    Sure, but that fee is very low from the options I have seen.
rumanator 6y ago
> Where are you going to store this thing? Pay for the power? Cool it? Replace failing hardware? There are plenty of cloud providers who sell colocation services or even rent bare metal hardware. Take for instance Hetzner. They rent 32-core AMD EPYC boxes wth 128GB of RAM for about 130€/month. If you rent a half a dozen of those boxes you get more computational bang for a fraction of the buck. If you reach a scale where your needs span tens of data centers across the world then the economies of scale and operational expenditure are quite different and peculiar, but still they a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper than AWS.

threeseed 6y ago

You can just store it at the datacenter. Many of them offer a service which allows you to drop off your hardware and they will manage the power, cooling, even repairs and replacement for a monthly fee.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> You can just store it at the datacenter. What do you think is ‘the’ data centre? There’s no single universal data centre. And most people don’t have a data centre, or access to one.
- threeseed 6y ago
  Actually everyone has access to managed data centre services. It’s called co-location where you buy rack space in one of the core data centre hubs in each city. Been available for many years and it’s very affordable e.g. a few hundred a month.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Not sure why you said 'the data centre' rather than 'a data centre' though. Not sure if you think there's one massive data centre for the whole world?
    - vladvasiliu 6y ago
      I think GP said "the datacenter" rather than "a datacenter" in the same way they would say they have a computer at "the office" and not at "an office". Even though there's no "massive office for the whole world".
    - coldtea 6y ago
      Aren't you a native english speaker? At "the X" is a common idiom. E.g. people say "you can buy carrots at the grocery store" despite there being multiple such stores. "At the datacentre" doesn't imply one universal datacentre. It just informs you of which kind of facility you can use.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        Isn't 'the' a definite article. You use it when you mean a single definite instance of something. If you mean something in general you use an indefinite article, like 'a'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Definite_article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Definite_art... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Indefinite_article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)#Indefinite_a... "you can buy carrots at a grocery store" "you can buy carrots at the grocery store over there"
        coldtea 6y ago
        From the same page you've linked: The definite article can also be used in English to indicate a specific class among other classes: The cabbage white butterfly lays its eggs on members of the Brassica genus. And from other sources: We also use the definite article: to say something about all the things referred to by a noun: The wolf is not really a dangerous animal. (= Wolves are not really dangerous animals.) The kangaroo is found only in Australia. (= Kangaroos are found only in Australia.) The heart pumps blood around the body. (= Hearts pump blood around bodies.) We use the definite article in this way to talk about musical instruments: Joe plays the piano really well. She is learning the guitar. to refer to a system or service: How long does it take on the train? I heard it on the radio. You should tell the police.
- vladvasiliu 6y ago
  It's pretty easy to get access to "a" datacenter. Just look up one that's around you and give them a call. I've done just that for the company I work for a few years ago. It's a pretty big DC provider, even AWS has a presence there. For a flat monthly fee, we get a full rack with cooling and power.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Almost everybody has access to a datacenter. There are countless datacenters that will host any machine you drop them, or you can rent their machines...
maccard 6y ago
Surely you need to consider that monthly fee in your cost comparisons too then?
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Sure, but that fee is very low from the options I have seen.

rumanator 6y ago

> Where are you going to store this thing? Pay for the power? Cool it? Replace failing hardware? There are plenty of cloud providers who sell colocation services or even rent bare metal hardware. Take for instance Hetzner. They rent 32-core AMD EPYC boxes wth 128GB of RAM for about 130€/month. If you rent a half a dozen of those boxes you get more computational bang for a fraction of the buck. If you reach a scale where your needs span tens of data centers across the world then the economies of scale and operational expenditure are quite different and peculiar, but still they a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper than AWS.