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It's a plausible idea. I already life in a relatively "safe" place, and yet I find myself considering moving to an even "safer" shack in the remote woods somew

It's a plausible idea. I already life in a relatively "safe" place, and yet I find myself considering moving to an even "safer" shack in the remote woods somewhere. Feels like a storm is coming...

closeparen 6y ago
Given the medical nature of the storm, I’d really stay within a reasonable drive of a proper hospital. A lot can happen on the helicopter ride to civilization, and that’s assuming the system is healthy enough to offer you one. If things get really bad, humanitarian aid may or may not come for the cities, but it’s definitely not coming for a cabin in the woods. Are you prepared to live off the land?
- neilv 6y ago
  Good point about hospitals, and aid in general. In a disaster affecting a large area (including adversely impacting aid from outside one's area), rural people will have to be more self-sufficient than city people, but they're also in a better position to be. Rural strategic advantages I imagine include: lower cost of living, ability to own rather than rent (lower risk of homelessness?), land to grow food and have animals, space to store and build necessities, space for disease distancing, trade with nearby farmers when city supply chains disrupted, more likely culture of neighbors knowing each other and looking out for each other. Some of my "college town" city-slicker disaster strategy (focused on economic, natural disasters like hurricanes, industrial accidents, and bad actors) didn't quite play out with Covid-19: * Despite our money, we couldn't insulate sufficiently from catastrophically bad action by national leadership. * One of our own big-money biotechs who should've known better actually created the initial superspreader event in Boston. * The wildcard fact that we're nationally strategic (economic, prestige, and military tech) and also have students of much of the world's most wealthy and powerful here, didn't matter for external aid in this scenario. (Our governor even had to engage in cloak&dagger, to keep medical worker PPE we'd bought from being seized by national.) (And, though having the children of the wealthy&powerful here might be an asset for getting aid in local/regional disasters -- acknowledging the other side of how awful some disaster-hit poor areas of the US have been treated in pre-Covid recent memory -- that mattered less when "outside" was also struggling and had no aid to give, and maybe wouldn't have mattered as much anyway, after the universities sent students home.) And problems that were predictable, if one had been thinking of pandemic as a likely near-term scenario: * We're densely-packed, mostly in old apartments with quirks and problems, often with roommates, and relatively little open space. * The substantial number of self-absorbed people accustomed to getting what they want doesn't help. For example, the several joggers who huffed&puffed past me on my own street's narrow sidewalk in the space of 10 minutes last week, only one even bothered to pull up a cloth mask as they passed. And generally only ~50% mask use rate among non-joggers on that same street last week, on a straight shot line between Harvard and MIT. What so far has played out here better than it might've, I suspect is due to Cambridge and the Boston area having a lot of smart officials who care about doing their jobs well, a wealth of medical personnel and resources, a relatively progressive culture by US standards that resulted in a lot of attention being focused on helping the less fortunate here, the fact that the universities and colleges eventually told the students not to come back after spring break debauchery-acclerated pandemic spreading, overall passable public effort at distancing&masks, and a good amount of money to make that all easier. (That's not to say that there aren't already countless family tragedies locally due to Covid, nor that unfathomable human misery around the world hasn't been caused -- only that the local situation could've been even worse already, if we didn't have some things in our favor.)
  - lsllc 6y ago
    For COVID19, MA has done terribly at 7576 deaths for a population of ~6.7M [0]. At 1090 deaths per million, that's worse than the UK (620 deaths/millon) and Belgium (843 deaths/million) [1]. MA is only eclipsed by NY (1570/1M), NJ (1400/1M) and CT (1160/1M) [2]. It's not the joggers we need to worry about, it's the elderly/infirm (average age of the dead is 81) and long term care home inhabitants (63% of deaths) [0]. [0] https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-june-13-2020/download https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-june-13-2020/dow... [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
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- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Buy a Boy Scout Handbook. It has good first aid instructions. Better yet, take an EMT class. A few months of evening classes and you are very well prepared for mishaps.
- downerending 6y ago
  Excellent points, especially for the "medical" part of the storm. But against that, we must weigh the reduced likelihood of infection in a remote place. Furthermore, I think most of the storm is not really medical. I'm feeling something more like the Chinese "Cultural Revolution" coming. Hard to know how to handle that, but perhaps best to seem like a peasant with few opinions. And for gods' sake, stay the hell off of social media.
spaceisballer 6y ago
Hopefully it’s a storm of change. The only dangerous protests were the ones with all the armed white people who want haircuts. We have been having many large peaceful protests for days. It’s uplifting for that to be happened, sure the news brought attention to looting and riots initially, but that’s subsided.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  > The only dangerous protests were the ones with all the armed white people Who was hurt? Did I miss a headline?
  - downerending 6y ago
    No, GP is detached from reality. Nothing to see here.
    - ignoramceisblis 6y ago
      But if a lie is repeated enough...
  - bigbugbag 6y ago
    Boogaloos have killed cops and are suspected to have open fire on crowds during protests. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/17/facebook-shuts-down-groups-where-boogaloo-suspects-posted-before-ambush-attacks-on-bay-area-cops/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/17/facebook-shuts-down-g...
- dTal 6y ago
  All mass gatherings are dangerous and all will cost lives. I'm dismayed that it's no longer "woke" to draw attention to this.
fsociety 6y ago
You probably already know this, but if you move to a more remote location make sure to have an epi-pen and good first aid kit. When you need it you really need it, speaking from experience.

It's a plausible idea. I already life in a relatively "safe" place, and yet I find myself considering moving to an even "safer" shack in the remote woods somewhere. Feels like a storm is coming...

closeparen 6y ago

Given the medical nature of the storm, I’d really stay within a reasonable drive of a proper hospital. A lot can happen on the helicopter ride to civilization, and that’s assuming the system is healthy enough to offer you one. If things get really bad, humanitarian aid may or may not come for the cities, but it’s definitely not coming for a cabin in the woods. Are you prepared to live off the land?

neilv 6y ago
Good point about hospitals, and aid in general. In a disaster affecting a large area (including adversely impacting aid from outside one's area), rural people will have to be more self-sufficient than city people, but they're also in a better position to be. Rural strategic advantages I imagine include: lower cost of living, ability to own rather than rent (lower risk of homelessness?), land to grow food and have animals, space to store and build necessities, space for disease distancing, trade with nearby farmers when city supply chains disrupted, more likely culture of neighbors knowing each other and looking out for each other. Some of my "college town" city-slicker disaster strategy (focused on economic, natural disasters like hurricanes, industrial accidents, and bad actors) didn't quite play out with Covid-19: * Despite our money, we couldn't insulate sufficiently from catastrophically bad action by national leadership. * One of our own big-money biotechs who should've known better actually created the initial superspreader event in Boston. * The wildcard fact that we're nationally strategic (economic, prestige, and military tech) and also have students of much of the world's most wealthy and powerful here, didn't matter for external aid in this scenario. (Our governor even had to engage in cloak&dagger, to keep medical worker PPE we'd bought from being seized by national.) (And, though having the children of the wealthy&powerful here might be an asset for getting aid in local/regional disasters -- acknowledging the other side of how awful some disaster-hit poor areas of the US have been treated in pre-Covid recent memory -- that mattered less when "outside" was also struggling and had no aid to give, and maybe wouldn't have mattered as much anyway, after the universities sent students home.) And problems that were predictable, if one had been thinking of pandemic as a likely near-term scenario: * We're densely-packed, mostly in old apartments with quirks and problems, often with roommates, and relatively little open space. * The substantial number of self-absorbed people accustomed to getting what they want doesn't help. For example, the several joggers who huffed&puffed past me on my own street's narrow sidewalk in the space of 10 minutes last week, only one even bothered to pull up a cloth mask as they passed. And generally only ~50% mask use rate among non-joggers on that same street last week, on a straight shot line between Harvard and MIT. What so far has played out here better than it might've, I suspect is due to Cambridge and the Boston area having a lot of smart officials who care about doing their jobs well, a wealth of medical personnel and resources, a relatively progressive culture by US standards that resulted in a lot of attention being focused on helping the less fortunate here, the fact that the universities and colleges eventually told the students not to come back after spring break debauchery-acclerated pandemic spreading, overall passable public effort at distancing&masks, and a good amount of money to make that all easier. (That's not to say that there aren't already countless family tragedies locally due to Covid, nor that unfathomable human misery around the world hasn't been caused -- only that the local situation could've been even worse already, if we didn't have some things in our favor.)
- lsllc 6y ago
  For COVID19, MA has done terribly at 7576 deaths for a population of ~6.7M [0]. At 1090 deaths per million, that's worse than the UK (620 deaths/millon) and Belgium (843 deaths/million) [1]. MA is only eclipsed by NY (1570/1M), NJ (1400/1M) and CT (1160/1M) [2]. It's not the joggers we need to worry about, it's the elderly/infirm (average age of the dead is 81) and long term care home inhabitants (63% of deaths) [0]. [0] https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-june-13-2020/download https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-june-13-2020/dow... [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
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Fjolsvith 6y ago
Buy a Boy Scout Handbook. It has good first aid instructions. Better yet, take an EMT class. A few months of evening classes and you are very well prepared for mishaps.
downerending 6y ago
Excellent points, especially for the "medical" part of the storm. But against that, we must weigh the reduced likelihood of infection in a remote place. Furthermore, I think most of the storm is not really medical. I'm feeling something more like the Chinese "Cultural Revolution" coming. Hard to know how to handle that, but perhaps best to seem like a peasant with few opinions. And for gods' sake, stay the hell off of social media.

spaceisballer 6y ago

Hopefully it’s a storm of change. The only dangerous protests were the ones with all the armed white people who want haircuts. We have been having many large peaceful protests for days. It’s uplifting for that to be happened, sure the news brought attention to looting and riots initially, but that’s subsided.

ta17711771 6y ago
> The only dangerous protests were the ones with all the armed white people Who was hurt? Did I miss a headline?
- downerending 6y ago
  No, GP is detached from reality. Nothing to see here.
  - ignoramceisblis 6y ago
    But if a lie is repeated enough...
- bigbugbag 6y ago
  Boogaloos have killed cops and are suspected to have open fire on crowds during protests. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/17/facebook-shuts-down-groups-where-boogaloo-suspects-posted-before-ambush-attacks-on-bay-area-cops/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/17/facebook-shuts-down-g...
dTal 6y ago
All mass gatherings are dangerous and all will cost lives. I'm dismayed that it's no longer "woke" to draw attention to this.

fsociety 6y ago

You probably already know this, but if you move to a more remote location make sure to have an epi-pen and good first aid kit. When you need it you really need it, speaking from experience.