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While I don't really like JA, tend not to trust him, and disagree with a lot of his choices, it is unquestionable that he suffered a lot of injustice; while the

While I don't really like JA, tend not to trust him, and disagree with a lot of his choices, it is unquestionable that he suffered a lot of injustice; while the public turned on him and continues to fall for simplified coverage of all matters involving him. The latest example, I believe, was the report on his life at the embassy and how he received the email archive in 2016. [1] is the popular CNN version, while a week earlier El Pais reported [2] very differently on the very same material. And that still doesn't address CNN's suspicious depiction and emphasis of the evil hackers (German CCC members) who visited JA. That reminds me, since the ECHR or CJEU—I don't remember which one—ruled that you can't sentence a person to prison forever, wouldn't it be inhumane to extradite someone when the potential degree of penalty is over 150 years? [1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-documents/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-... [2]: https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/09/inenglish/1562663427_224669.html https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/09/inenglish/15626... [3]: https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/07/15/on-cnns-wikileaks-exclusive-remember-the-other-document-dumps/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/07/15/on-cnns-wikileaks-excl... [4]: https://shadowproof.com/2019/07/15/cnn-twists-ecuador-embassy-surveillance-records-attack-assange/ https://shadowproof.com/2019/07/15/cnn-twists-ecuador-embass...

iaw 6y ago
I 'turned on him' because as I learned more about him I trusted his motives less. If I thought his motives were pure, I would give him more slack but I think he has nefarious motives based on his indiscriminate releases. 150 years sounds right for a spy at his stature without a state sponsor, good thing we aren't at war or there may be an argument to kill him.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  If anything his "indiscriminate releases" shows that his motive was pure, compared with releasing only what you like.
dane-pgp 6y ago
> the ECHR or CJEU—I don't remember which one—ruled that you can't sentence a person to prison forever I believe you are referring to rulings by the ECtHR[1]. In fact it was determined that the situation in the UK was compliant with the Convention because prisoners have the possibility of applying to the Home Secretary for compassionate release. (This mitigates the concern that, for example, someone could end up in prison for 100 years while society changed around them such that the original sentence became seen to be unjust, but the prisoner felt they had no prospect of having their situation changed). As for how this affects Assange's extradition, it is already the case that the US must promise not to execute him before the UK will hand him over, so they could perhaps also promise to review his sentence after 25 years if he is imprisoned for that long. (For reference, he turns 50 next year). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales#European_Court_of_Human_Rights_challenges_against_whole_life_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_a...

iaw 6y ago

I 'turned on him' because as I learned more about him I trusted his motives less. If I thought his motives were pure, I would give him more slack but I think he has nefarious motives based on his indiscriminate releases. 150 years sounds right for a spy at his stature without a state sponsor, good thing we aren't at war or there may be an argument to kill him.

dependenttypes 6y ago
If anything his "indiscriminate releases" shows that his motive was pure, compared with releasing only what you like.

dane-pgp 6y ago

> the ECHR or CJEU—I don't remember which one—ruled that you can't sentence a person to prison forever I believe you are referring to rulings by the ECtHR[1]. In fact it was determined that the situation in the UK was compliant with the Convention because prisoners have the possibility of applying to the Home Secretary for compassionate release. (This mitigates the concern that, for example, someone could end up in prison for 100 years while society changed around them such that the original sentence became seen to be unjust, but the prisoner felt they had no prospect of having their situation changed). As for how this affects Assange's extradition, it is already the case that the US must promise not to execute him before the UK will hand him over, so they could perhaps also promise to review his sentence after 25 years if he is imprisoned for that long. (For reference, he turns 50 next year). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales#European_Court_of_Human_Rights_challenges_against_whole_life_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_a...