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Is Safari becoming the new Internet Explorer?

by ducaale 6y ago

londons_explore 6y ago
It has been for a long time... It's opensource even, but they seem to ignore patches
- saagarjha 6y ago
  (To be pedantic: Safari is closed source, the WebKit that ships with Safari is mostly open source.)
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    How different is this than Google Chrome being closed vs Chromium being open? Does Safari have more substantial closed-source components?
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Chromium basically ships with a usable, “de-Googled” browser in tree doesn’t it? WebKit has what you might call a demo. Look up MiniBrowser to see what I mean. It’s a web view and three buttons, basically.
      - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
        What about the Webkit Nightly builds though? Those basically seem to be Safari.
        Wowfunhappy 6y ago
        ...oh, huh, did something change in the past few years? I just checked, and the nightly builds do not download a full, usable app. I could have sworn they used to though. You’d get an app called “Webkit”, but it functioned just like Safari for all intents and purposes.
    - untog 6y ago
      Primarily because of mobile. You can download a nightly build of Safari but you can’t install one on your phone.
    - sanxiyn 6y ago
      Yes, Safari has more substantial closed source components. WebKit is comparable to Blink, not Chromium.
stock_toaster 6y ago
Nah, pretty sure Chrome is. I'm apparently not alone[1][2][3] in believing so. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16805216/google-chrome-only-sites-internet-explorer-6-web-standards https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16805216/google-chrome-onl... [2]: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-chrome-snaps-up-more-share-new-edge-again-gains-ground.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browse... [3]: https://erik.itland.no/chrome-is-the-new-internet-explorer-4-stages https://erik.itland.no/chrome-is-the-new-internet-explorer-4...
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  GP is comparing it to IE6 in terms of being behind other browsers in implementing features, not in terms of publishers only checking that their pages render correctly in that browser.
  - Flow 6y ago
    IE was both the browser that were first with features and had lots of features the others didn't have, and the browser that lagged with new features.

Is Safari becoming the new Internet Explorer?

londons_explore 6y ago

It has been for a long time... It's opensource even, but they seem to ignore patches

saagarjha 6y ago
(To be pedantic: Safari is closed source, the WebKit that ships with Safari is mostly open source.)
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  How different is this than Google Chrome being closed vs Chromium being open? Does Safari have more substantial closed-source components?
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Chromium basically ships with a usable, “de-Googled” browser in tree doesn’t it? WebKit has what you might call a demo. Look up MiniBrowser to see what I mean. It’s a web view and three buttons, basically.
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      What about the Webkit Nightly builds though? Those basically seem to be Safari.
      - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
        ...oh, huh, did something change in the past few years? I just checked, and the nightly builds do not download a full, usable app. I could have sworn they used to though. You’d get an app called “Webkit”, but it functioned just like Safari for all intents and purposes.
  - untog 6y ago
    Primarily because of mobile. You can download a nightly build of Safari but you can’t install one on your phone.
  - sanxiyn 6y ago
    Yes, Safari has more substantial closed source components. WebKit is comparable to Blink, not Chromium.

stock_toaster 6y ago

Nah, pretty sure Chrome is. I'm apparently not alone[1][2][3] in believing so. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16805216/google-chrome-only-sites-internet-explorer-6-web-standards https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16805216/google-chrome-onl... [2]: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-chrome-snaps-up-more-share-new-edge-again-gains-ground.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browse... [3]: https://erik.itland.no/chrome-is-the-new-internet-explorer-4-stages https://erik.itland.no/chrome-is-the-new-internet-explorer-4...

lern_too_spel 6y ago
GP is comparing it to IE6 in terms of being behind other browsers in implementing features, not in terms of publishers only checking that their pages render correctly in that browser.
- Flow 6y ago
  IE was both the browser that were first with features and had lots of features the others didn't have, and the browser that lagged with new features.