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I mean, Donald Trump literally reversed transgender health protections this week. If you're voting for a Republican, you're voting for the party of Donald Trump

I mean, Donald Trump literally reversed transgender health protections this week. If you're voting for a Republican, you're voting for the party of Donald Trump and efforts like that which take away the rights of certain classes of citizens. You can't vote for a party and try to avoid taking the whole package deal. You get what you voted for.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
But that logic means that if I vote for a Democrat, I'm also taking the whole package deal. And, bluntly, there aren't very many people that actually support all of that package deal.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Yes, that's right. I don't agree with the full package deal, but I think it's far better than the alternative Again: You get what you vote for. Using 'I disagree with what my party is doing, but I'm voting for them anyways' as an attempt to avoid criticism doesn't work. That's the nature of US politics. If you vote for one party despite them doing some heinous things, then you tacitly support what they're doing. If you don't like it, then either don't vote or vote for the opposite party.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    And if I also disagree with some of what the other party is doing, then what? "Don't vote" seems to be the only option you have left. And I strongly disagree that that's the best option.
    - fzeroracer 6y ago
      Then you compromise and pick the party that you think best accomplishes what you want. But part of that compromise is that you accept the party is going to also do things you don't like. Which is something you can't escape criticism for. Voting is approval for that party. You're choosing to value what Party B does over Party A, which means you weigh the negatives of Party B as being less of a problem than the positives. That doesn't mean you get to avoid those negatives when someone else calls you out on who you decided to throw your lot in with.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Instead, do as all thinking humans: vote for the third party that most appeals to you. I've been swapping between the Greens and the Libertarians... this year looks Green so far.
buzzkillington 6y ago
Trans rights affect about 0.5% of the population. More people will die of covid than there are trans people in the US. It is literally a non-issue.
- dang 6y ago
  This is trolling. There's no view that requires that level of disrespect. If you continue to post flamebait to HN we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - buzzkillington 6y ago
    Even the guy who started this site had something to say about shitting on orthodoxy: >What scares me is that there are moral fashions too. They're just as arbitrary, and just as invisible to most people. But they're much more dangerous. Fashion is mistaken for good design; moral fashion is mistaken for good. Dressing oddly gets you laughed at. Violating moral fashions can get you fired, ostracized, imprisoned, or even killed. http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html
    - dang 6y ago
      pg would most likely have just banned you a long time ago. He was like 100x quicker to ban HN users than we are, and he never gave warnings like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709413 or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606579.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

But that logic means that if I vote for a Democrat, I'm also taking the whole package deal. And, bluntly, there aren't very many people that actually support all of that package deal.

fzeroracer 6y ago
Yes, that's right. I don't agree with the full package deal, but I think it's far better than the alternative Again: You get what you vote for. Using 'I disagree with what my party is doing, but I'm voting for them anyways' as an attempt to avoid criticism doesn't work. That's the nature of US politics. If you vote for one party despite them doing some heinous things, then you tacitly support what they're doing. If you don't like it, then either don't vote or vote for the opposite party.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  And if I also disagree with some of what the other party is doing, then what? "Don't vote" seems to be the only option you have left. And I strongly disagree that that's the best option.
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    Then you compromise and pick the party that you think best accomplishes what you want. But part of that compromise is that you accept the party is going to also do things you don't like. Which is something you can't escape criticism for. Voting is approval for that party. You're choosing to value what Party B does over Party A, which means you weigh the negatives of Party B as being less of a problem than the positives. That doesn't mean you get to avoid those negatives when someone else calls you out on who you decided to throw your lot in with.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Instead, do as all thinking humans: vote for the third party that most appeals to you. I've been swapping between the Greens and the Libertarians... this year looks Green so far.

buzzkillington 6y ago

Trans rights affect about 0.5% of the population. More people will die of covid than there are trans people in the US. It is literally a non-issue.

dang 6y ago
This is trolling. There's no view that requires that level of disrespect. If you continue to post flamebait to HN we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- buzzkillington 6y ago
  Even the guy who started this site had something to say about shitting on orthodoxy: >What scares me is that there are moral fashions too. They're just as arbitrary, and just as invisible to most people. But they're much more dangerous. Fashion is mistaken for good design; moral fashion is mistaken for good. Dressing oddly gets you laughed at. Violating moral fashions can get you fired, ostracized, imprisoned, or even killed. http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html
  - dang 6y ago
    pg would most likely have just banned you a long time ago. He was like 100x quicker to ban HN users than we are, and he never gave warnings like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709413 or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606579.