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In what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your c
by Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
In what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your comment even questions if it can be considered a "group" at all ( "I also question whether antifa can be considered to constitute a “group” at this point in time"), and I agree. Either way, equating far-right violence (which was responsible for every extremist death in 2018) and violence associated with antifa, for example against people like those at Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascists, and white supremacists, just seems deeply disingenuous to the point of trolling.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x
- m0zg 6y agoYou don't really understand what this is about. The original antifascist movement was about using communism to fight fascism (also known as national socialism, BTW). That is, communist totalitarianism vs capitalist totalitarianism. It was a Stalinist movement. The current "Antifa" pretty much quote The Internationale [1] as their position, without even knowing what it is, or that they are quoting it. This ignorance would be humorous, were it not so dangerous. To quote wikipedia: Antifa (German: [ˈantifaː]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. They flew hammer and sickle over their headquarters too [2]. Many of the current members are commies also. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-P046279%2C_Berlin%2C_Liebknecht-Haus_am_B%C3%BClowplatz.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesar...
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoCan you point out where this purported capitalized Antifa posts their updates? Because right now it seems like you have so many "understandings" about capitalized Antifa that it would be easiest to just get the fundamental things like exactly who you're speaking of instead of asking you to necessarily have to explain it all here.
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoAlso: Here is an account of anti-communist anti-authoritarians singing The Internationale in 1989 when in police custody. Odd they would sing that when you characterized the song as a singularly communist anthem. One possibility is that every anti-authoritarian member of Capitalized Antifa isn't a communist after all. https://books.google.com/books?id=so474D6P9LsC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=east+germans+them+sang+The+Internationale+in+police+custody&source=bl&ots=i3f9Armq5C&sig=ACfU3U1n_zXrEs-7EnB2FVZnF7Jg17Wopg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjusMmA2__pAhWHSjABHdJ0BQkQ6AEwAnoECCcQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=so474D6P9LsC&pg=PA22&lpg=P...
- m0zg 6y agoYes, there are people who subscribe to it without understanding what it really means. I think I pointed this out a couple of posts upward. Such people are often called "useful idiots" by those who really understand what's going on and have an actual goal. 1917 revolution in Russia was mostly carried out by useful idiots, tens of millions of whom have died afterwards of famine and repressions.
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoSo only the people who "have an actual goal" is who Antifa consists of? Or just Antifa "leadership" I'm just not totally understanding why anti-X necessarily has to shoot past center to pro-Y.
- m0zg 6y ago"So" followed by a completely made up version of what you think I was saying is a tell for cognitive dissonance. It's pointless to engage after this point.
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoCertainly not, it's that if one follows your tenuous logic down it's path it falls apart badly without you being willing to clarify the things I asked. My guess is just that you're so deeply anti-communist and pro-capitalism, that even anti-fascism is offensive to you. Just looks like indoctrination to me, but again I do welcome you to point me to wherever the capitalized Antifa violent communist group is posting. That would clear everything up.
- Jon_Lowtek 6y agoJust to be very klear: ze current https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) is NOT ze paramilitary wing of a german communist party! we germans have nothing to do wiz your innenpolitikal troubles!