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Have you not heard of Antifa somehow? It's a communist activist violent group.

by m0zg 6y ago

tarkin2 6y ago
Just to clarify, antifa became an issue after trump started quoting a twitter antifa account, which was run by a right wing, white supremacy guy. It is a good example of social media being used to radicalise the right wing, in fact.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  That was very recent and people have been talking about antifa for years. Not to suggest it was the first false flag or whatever. But I distinctly remember people ranting about them around the time of the Virginia protests.
- arcseco 6y ago
  I vaguely remember a story a few years ago about a guy receiving a blow to the head from a bike lock and requiring therapy for potential brain damage from said blow.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    I vaguely remember the leftists cheering, too.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Let's be clear, that sucks, but it's nowhere near the radicalization we've seen on the right. Boogaloos shooting cops, neo-nazis responsible for numerous synagogue / church / mosque shootings, driving cars into crowds, etc. aren't really comparable to a bike lock to the head.
    - vorpalhex 6y ago
      The Jewish deli shooting, the Dallas cop shooter... the list goes on.
Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
In what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your comment even questions if it can be considered a "group" at all ( "I also question whether antifa can be considered to constitute a “group” at this point in time"), and I agree. Either way, equating far-right violence (which was responsible for every extremist death in 2018) and violence associated with antifa, for example against people like those at Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascists, and white supremacists, just seems deeply disingenuous to the point of trolling. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x
- m0zg 6y ago
  You don't really understand what this is about. The original antifascist movement was about using communism to fight fascism (also known as national socialism, BTW). That is, communist totalitarianism vs capitalist totalitarianism. It was a Stalinist movement. The current "Antifa" pretty much quote The Internationale [1] as their position, without even knowing what it is, or that they are quoting it. This ignorance would be humorous, were it not so dangerous. To quote wikipedia: Antifa (German: [ˈantifaː]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. They flew hammer and sickle over their headquarters too [2]. Many of the current members are commies also. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-P046279%2C_Berlin%2C_Liebknecht-Haus_am_B%C3%BClowplatz.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesar...
  - Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
    Can you point out where this purported capitalized Antifa posts their updates? Because right now it seems like you have so many "understandings" about capitalized Antifa that it would be easiest to just get the fundamental things like exactly who you're speaking of instead of asking you to necessarily have to explain it all here.
  - 6y ago
pjc50 6y ago
Anti-fascist action has a strong tradition all the way back to 1936 when the fascist getting punched was Oswald Mosely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street It's not exactly recent, but it is pretty much purely reactive.
klyrs 6y ago
You mean guys like this? https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oakland-police-killings-officially-linked-suspect-in-deputy-ambush-also-believed-to-be-behind-federal-cops-death/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oaklan...
- metrokoi 6y ago
  Are you equally concerned about left-wing activist lawyers trying to murder four cops with a molotov cocktail?
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Yes. And I'm glad that it was only an attempt and not a success. Even if I agreed with their motivation, it's a tactic for dipshits.
licebmi__at__ 6y ago
Given the history of "antifa" as a movement, I would argue that against them being radicalized even so in recent times. What I do think is that antifa has become more relevant because of the rise of radical right wing in social media as a bogeyman.

Have you not heard of Antifa somehow? It's a communist activist violent group.

by m0zg 6y ago

Have you not heard of Antifa somehow? It's a communist activist violent group.

Just to clarify, antifa became an issue after trump started quoting a twitter antifa account, which was run by a right wing, white supremacy guy. It is a good example of social media being used to radicalise the right wing, in fact.

perl4ever 6y ago
That was very recent and people have been talking about antifa for years. Not to suggest it was the first false flag or whatever. But I distinctly remember people ranting about them around the time of the Virginia protests.
arcseco 6y ago
I vaguely remember a story a few years ago about a guy receiving a blow to the head from a bike lock and requiring therapy for potential brain damage from said blow.
- m0zg 6y ago
  I vaguely remember the leftists cheering, too.
- klyrs 6y ago
  Let's be clear, that sucks, but it's nowhere near the radicalization we've seen on the right. Boogaloos shooting cops, neo-nazis responsible for numerous synagogue / church / mosque shootings, driving cars into crowds, etc. aren't really comparable to a bike lock to the head.
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    The Jewish deli shooting, the Dallas cop shooter... the list goes on.

Gabriel_Martin 6y ago

In what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your comment even questions if it can be considered a "group" at all ( "I also question whether antifa can be considered to constitute a “group” at this point in time"), and I agree. Either way, equating far-right violence (which was responsible for every extremist death in 2018) and violence associated with antifa, for example against people like those at Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascists, and white supremacists, just seems deeply disingenuous to the point of trolling. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x

m0zg 6y ago
You don't really understand what this is about. The original antifascist movement was about using communism to fight fascism (also known as national socialism, BTW). That is, communist totalitarianism vs capitalist totalitarianism. It was a Stalinist movement. The current "Antifa" pretty much quote The Internationale [1] as their position, without even knowing what it is, or that they are quoting it. This ignorance would be humorous, were it not so dangerous. To quote wikipedia: Antifa (German: [ˈantifaː]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. They flew hammer and sickle over their headquarters too [2]. Many of the current members are commies also. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-P046279%2C_Berlin%2C_Liebknecht-Haus_am_B%C3%BClowplatz.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesar...
- Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
  Can you point out where this purported capitalized Antifa posts their updates? Because right now it seems like you have so many "understandings" about capitalized Antifa that it would be easiest to just get the fundamental things like exactly who you're speaking of instead of asking you to necessarily have to explain it all here.
- 6y ago

pjc50 6y ago

Anti-fascist action has a strong tradition all the way back to 1936 when the fascist getting punched was Oswald Mosely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street It's not exactly recent, but it is pretty much purely reactive.

klyrs 6y ago

You mean guys like this? https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oakland-police-killings-officially-linked-suspect-in-deputy-ambush-also-believed-to-be-behind-federal-cops-death/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oaklan...

metrokoi 6y ago
Are you equally concerned about left-wing activist lawyers trying to murder four cops with a molotov cocktail?
- klyrs 6y ago
  Yes. And I'm glad that it was only an attempt and not a success. Even if I agreed with their motivation, it's a tactic for dipshits.

licebmi__at__ 6y ago

Given the history of "antifa" as a movement, I would argue that against them being radicalized even so in recent times. What I do think is that antifa has become more relevant because of the rise of radical right wing in social media as a bogeyman.