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Then don't come near the Clojure community either, that's the most cultist one I have encountered.

pcstl 6y ago
That has a lot to do with Rich Hickey and Cognitect encouraging cultishness.
gleenn 6y ago
Would you care to elaborate? I'm very fond of the language but have found people to be generally pleasant. The only criticism I have is that its a pretty small community so finding fellow Clojurists tends to be hard.
- peferron 6y ago
  (Not the person you responded to.) My direct interactions with the Clojure community have been very pleasant and helpful, and I have zero complaints there. But when searching around for common questions related to Clojure, I often run into answers along the lines of "Clojure doesn't have X because our language is so superior we don't need it", which does sound cultish. For example, I was looking for GraphQL ClojureScript libs a few days ago, and found a thread where the first answers were essentially: - "If you can’t find a framework that does it, chances are it’s so easy to do in Clojure/ClojureScript that nobody bothers to put an abstraction there" - "Datomic has been doing what GraphQL offers plus much more since like 2013" Both answers are a bit cultish. The first suggests a lack of enlightenment. The second suggests that salvation can be found by embracing the cult even further and locking yourself into a proprietary database invented by Clojure's author and used almost exclusively by Clojurists. (Edit: This thread was from 2017. Such answers may have become more rare since then.)
  - dustingetz 6y ago
    The second was probably me. Sorry about that. My words reflect me as an individual who is sometimes socially challenged, not the wider Clojure community.
    - peferron 6y ago
      Ouch—I didn't link to the thread in my previous comment specifically because I didn't want to point fingers at people who were trying to help back in 2017, even if I disagree with their answers, but here you are anyway! For what it's worth, I'd rather have more people in the Clojure community than fewer, even if I don't always share the same viewpoints.
entha_saava 6y ago
At least they don't bring politics in it.

That has a lot to do with Rich Hickey and Cognitect encouraging cultishness.

Would you care to elaborate? I'm very fond of the language but have found people to be generally pleasant. The only criticism I have is that its a pretty small community so finding fellow Clojurists tends to be hard.

peferron 6y ago
(Not the person you responded to.) My direct interactions with the Clojure community have been very pleasant and helpful, and I have zero complaints there. But when searching around for common questions related to Clojure, I often run into answers along the lines of "Clojure doesn't have X because our language is so superior we don't need it", which does sound cultish. For example, I was looking for GraphQL ClojureScript libs a few days ago, and found a thread where the first answers were essentially: - "If you can’t find a framework that does it, chances are it’s so easy to do in Clojure/ClojureScript that nobody bothers to put an abstraction there" - "Datomic has been doing what GraphQL offers plus much more since like 2013" Both answers are a bit cultish. The first suggests a lack of enlightenment. The second suggests that salvation can be found by embracing the cult even further and locking yourself into a proprietary database invented by Clojure's author and used almost exclusively by Clojurists. (Edit: This thread was from 2017. Such answers may have become more rare since then.)
- dustingetz 6y ago
  The second was probably me. Sorry about that. My words reflect me as an individual who is sometimes socially challenged, not the wider Clojure community.
  - peferron 6y ago
    Ouch—I didn't link to the thread in my previous comment specifically because I didn't want to point fingers at people who were trying to help back in 2017, even if I disagree with their answers, but here you are anyway! For what it's worth, I'd rather have more people in the Clojure community than fewer, even if I don't always share the same viewpoints.

entha_saava 6y ago

At least they don't bring politics in it.