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Agreed. There is widespread discrimination in the media against politically incorrect people. Political incorrectness is part of my personal identity. I didn't

Agreed. There is widespread discrimination in the media against politically incorrect people. Political incorrectness is part of my personal identity. I didn't choose to be born careless, it's a natural tendency that I have. I'm sorry I wasn't born as an easily offended person. I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. Does that make me a bad person? Should we just get rid of people like me from society? Replace me with more offended people who take everything seriously? I thought that division and extremism was a problem of our modern society? I guess I must be wrong there too. Opinionated, offended people often tell me that I'm wrong. They say it so aggressively, I guess they must be right. Usually, when people feel strongly about something, it's a good indication that they're right.

cryptica 6y ago
I can see that my comment was downvoted a lot. I suspect that this is because only offended people vote at all. This down-voting is real discrimination. It offends and hurts me for real in a profound way. How would you down-voters feel if I downvoted you for expressing an idea which captures the essence of who you are? I struggle with this issue for real, every day of my life. People don't take introverted, unopinionated people seriously these days. I had to change to get my voice heard.
- pas 6y ago
  What does offended even mean really? What if someone just thinks your views are not constructive? (I haven't voted either way on any of your comments, but/although I support these easy changes.)
- vaidhy 6y ago
  If you are born careless and not easily offended, why would the downvotes affect you? There seems to be some inherent conflict in your statements. If you have no opinions, then you take no stand. Why should people take you seriously? I believe that you have strong opinions about people should act and feel (No one should get offended because you do not get offended by a particular statement) and that comes across as very callous.
  - cryptica 6y ago
    I was just being sarcastic. I was just trying to make a point about double standards of discrimination. Discrimination about physical attributes is not OK, but discrimination against thinking and personality is OK. My view is that discrimination is never OK.
ljm 6y ago
I'm gonna give you the benefit of a response coz I don't think it's helpful to express disagreement through a downvote without attempting to explain why. > I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. You shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as you either. You can't decide how offended someone should be, as that's their own reaction to you. It might seem extreme or overboard to you, but how much do you know about them to judge that? > Does that make me a bad person? That's not really the question to be asked if we're talking like mature adults, because this isn't anywhere close to as simple as being 'good' or 'bad' (whatever that even means). Which is all to say, sure... you're fine to be a naturally born careless person, as much as a cop-out that actually is to hand-wave everything away with "it's just who I am," or "I tell it like it is!". It's fine for other people to think you're an asshole for it, and if I were you I'd grab my friends over a drink or something and ask an honest question: "how do I generally come across to you?". Prepare to possibly have your feelings hurt. And the reason why I say that is because you come across as quite casual and dismissive about people getting aggravated with you when talking about things, and maybe you're not listening to what they're actually saying.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > You shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as you either. You can't decide how offended someone should be, as that's their own reaction to you. It might seem extreme or overboard to you, but how much do you know about them to judge that? That's a difficult argument. It's totally fine to physically defend yourself if you're being attacked, and what constitutes an attack is obviously perfectly subjective, but we do very much have a common understanding of what it means. Whether someone feels attacked is of importance to themselves, but generally of little importance to how we judge their actions. The same is true for being offended. While people don't control what they feel, I don't believe it's helpful to reach for complete relativism and say "all feelings are valid, therefore you must act a certain way". It's also not what anybody seems to actually believe. When I trollishly ask them to stop doing something because it offends me, they respond that I'm lying (which I usually am, but they cannot know, they cannot judge that, as you wrote). It seems "do it, because they feel offended" is only the motto when they are sympathetic to the person claiming to be offended. Moral arguments that are based on personal sympathy are pretty problematic.

cryptica 6y ago

I can see that my comment was downvoted a lot. I suspect that this is because only offended people vote at all. This down-voting is real discrimination. It offends and hurts me for real in a profound way. How would you down-voters feel if I downvoted you for expressing an idea which captures the essence of who you are? I struggle with this issue for real, every day of my life. People don't take introverted, unopinionated people seriously these days. I had to change to get my voice heard.

pas 6y ago
What does offended even mean really? What if someone just thinks your views are not constructive? (I haven't voted either way on any of your comments, but/although I support these easy changes.)
vaidhy 6y ago
If you are born careless and not easily offended, why would the downvotes affect you? There seems to be some inherent conflict in your statements. If you have no opinions, then you take no stand. Why should people take you seriously? I believe that you have strong opinions about people should act and feel (No one should get offended because you do not get offended by a particular statement) and that comes across as very callous.
- cryptica 6y ago
  I was just being sarcastic. I was just trying to make a point about double standards of discrimination. Discrimination about physical attributes is not OK, but discrimination against thinking and personality is OK. My view is that discrimination is never OK.

ljm 6y ago

I'm gonna give you the benefit of a response coz I don't think it's helpful to express disagreement through a downvote without attempting to explain why. > I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. You shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as you either. You can't decide how offended someone should be, as that's their own reaction to you. It might seem extreme or overboard to you, but how much do you know about them to judge that? > Does that make me a bad person? That's not really the question to be asked if we're talking like mature adults, because this isn't anywhere close to as simple as being 'good' or 'bad' (whatever that even means). Which is all to say, sure... you're fine to be a naturally born careless person, as much as a cop-out that actually is to hand-wave everything away with "it's just who I am," or "I tell it like it is!". It's fine for other people to think you're an asshole for it, and if I were you I'd grab my friends over a drink or something and ask an honest question: "how do I generally come across to you?". Prepare to possibly have your feelings hurt. And the reason why I say that is because you come across as quite casual and dismissive about people getting aggravated with you when talking about things, and maybe you're not listening to what they're actually saying.

luckylion 6y ago
> You shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as you either. You can't decide how offended someone should be, as that's their own reaction to you. It might seem extreme or overboard to you, but how much do you know about them to judge that? That's a difficult argument. It's totally fine to physically defend yourself if you're being attacked, and what constitutes an attack is obviously perfectly subjective, but we do very much have a common understanding of what it means. Whether someone feels attacked is of importance to themselves, but generally of little importance to how we judge their actions. The same is true for being offended. While people don't control what they feel, I don't believe it's helpful to reach for complete relativism and say "all feelings are valid, therefore you must act a certain way". It's also not what anybody seems to actually believe. When I trollishly ask them to stop doing something because it offends me, they respond that I'm lying (which I usually am, but they cannot know, they cannot judge that, as you wrote). It seems "do it, because they feel offended" is only the motto when they are sympathetic to the person claiming to be offended. Moral arguments that are based on personal sympathy are pretty problematic.