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The spiritual experiences on ketamine and other arylcyclohexylamine are intense. Far more intense for me than any other drug I've tried. I've had unexplainable

The spiritual experiences on ketamine and other arylcyclohexylamine are intense. Far more intense for me than any other drug I've tried. I've had unexplainable experiences as well, where information retrieved in the drug state turned out was accurate.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
> where information retrieved in the drug state turned out was accurate. Can you give an example?
- softwarejosh 6y ago
  he thought his friend was going to come through the door with a glass of water and he did for some reason
  - gruez 6y ago
    was this verified by a third party? because if it's just himself validating his own "predictions", it's not really surprising. After all, we get deja vu all the time, which also feels like you predicted something.
    - DougN7 6y ago
      Unrelated to drugs, but I’ve had one deja vu where I wrote it down, showed it to a coworker, and then we both watched as it came to pass. I have no theory how that could have happened but it did. I do know it’s not just memory order hitting short/long term memory.
      - oceanghost 6y ago
        I have had this experience as well without drugs.
  - oceanghost 6y ago
    Two times come to mind. The night I first met my brothers g/f- - I had a vision my brother and I would both have girl children, and shortly after, I would be separated from my child. And in sequence, we both had exactly one female child then I got a divorce. Another time, an ex of mine, we hadn't spoken in a year or so, nor did I have her number (back then I would throw out numbers frequently to prevent me from contacting them while using drugs). A voice said, "X is in trouble and needs your help." So, with no way to contact her, I posted on the app we had met on (Whisper), and she got in contact within five minutes. She said it was weird because, she hadn't used the app in months but she got bored, installed it, and my post was the first one she saw. And I said, "This is going to sound crazy, but I was doing drugs and got a 'message' that you were in trouble. Are you?" And she said, "I am actually..."
jeffbee 6y ago
That’s the wonderful thing about drugs: they trigger the areas of the brain that normally signal an insight or epiphany, but without the hassle of having an actual epiphany. In reality you’re lying motionless on the floor for hours thinking nothing.
- kranner 6y ago
  You're definitely thinking something, even if it is something banal made salient by the drugs.
- pinopinopino 6y ago
  That is correct, but it is only half of the story. I think, I have to say it for the lack of a better word for it, but 'spiritual experiences' are worthwhile. They are not void of value. You shouldn't do it to often. But that is with all drugs.
- tasty_freeze 6y ago
  Ages ago my next older brother told me that when he smoked pot he liked to sit and think because he had deep insights, and the right answer to what he was considering was clearer than in a sober state. He didn't smoke around me and I hadn't (and still haven't) smoked pot. One Saturday night he came home and it was obvious he was pretty baked. That is when he dropped one of his insight bombshells on me: Stevie Wonder is the Frank Sinatra of our generation. I had the same though you just made: maybe it wasn't that he had clearer insights, just the perception of it because other thoughts that might contradict the conclusion didn't cross his mind.
neuralzen 6y ago
"Universal love" said the cactus person... https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...

read_if_gay_ 6y ago

> where information retrieved in the drug state turned out was accurate. Can you give an example?

softwarejosh 6y ago
he thought his friend was going to come through the door with a glass of water and he did for some reason
- gruez 6y ago
  was this verified by a third party? because if it's just himself validating his own "predictions", it's not really surprising. After all, we get deja vu all the time, which also feels like you predicted something.
  - DougN7 6y ago
    Unrelated to drugs, but I’ve had one deja vu where I wrote it down, showed it to a coworker, and then we both watched as it came to pass. I have no theory how that could have happened but it did. I do know it’s not just memory order hitting short/long term memory.
    - oceanghost 6y ago
      I have had this experience as well without drugs.
- oceanghost 6y ago
  Two times come to mind. The night I first met my brothers g/f- - I had a vision my brother and I would both have girl children, and shortly after, I would be separated from my child. And in sequence, we both had exactly one female child then I got a divorce. Another time, an ex of mine, we hadn't spoken in a year or so, nor did I have her number (back then I would throw out numbers frequently to prevent me from contacting them while using drugs). A voice said, "X is in trouble and needs your help." So, with no way to contact her, I posted on the app we had met on (Whisper), and she got in contact within five minutes. She said it was weird because, she hadn't used the app in months but she got bored, installed it, and my post was the first one she saw. And I said, "This is going to sound crazy, but I was doing drugs and got a 'message' that you were in trouble. Are you?" And she said, "I am actually..."

jeffbee 6y ago

That’s the wonderful thing about drugs: they trigger the areas of the brain that normally signal an insight or epiphany, but without the hassle of having an actual epiphany. In reality you’re lying motionless on the floor for hours thinking nothing.

kranner 6y ago
You're definitely thinking something, even if it is something banal made salient by the drugs.
pinopinopino 6y ago
That is correct, but it is only half of the story. I think, I have to say it for the lack of a better word for it, but 'spiritual experiences' are worthwhile. They are not void of value. You shouldn't do it to often. But that is with all drugs.
tasty_freeze 6y ago
Ages ago my next older brother told me that when he smoked pot he liked to sit and think because he had deep insights, and the right answer to what he was considering was clearer than in a sober state. He didn't smoke around me and I hadn't (and still haven't) smoked pot. One Saturday night he came home and it was obvious he was pretty baked. That is when he dropped one of his insight bombshells on me: Stevie Wonder is the Frank Sinatra of our generation. I had the same though you just made: maybe it wasn't that he had clearer insights, just the perception of it because other thoughts that might contradict the conclusion didn't cross his mind.

neuralzen 6y ago

"Universal love" said the cactus person... https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...