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> But as a group that needs to survive, it's a working strategy. It's not working though. A lot of people canceled their NY Times subscriptions after the "Sen

> But as a group that needs to survive, it's a working strategy. It's not working though. A lot of people canceled their NY Times subscriptions after the "Send in the troops" op-ed. Massively pissing off your customer base like that is not a winning move.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
Individually, each entity composing the group we call "press", may find itself in geopardy. But as a whole, it's working. They are just copying each others, because they can see what works and what doesn't. But because everything has a context, and luck is involved, they will be many dying anyway.
bryanlarsen 6y ago
The newsroom revolted against the editor that published the "Send in the troops" article and got him fired. So for this anecdote it was the right strategy, it just didn't happen soon enough.
- Khaine 6y ago
  From the same organisation that published an op-ed from the Taliban. The whole thing is absolutely bizarre
rb808 6y ago
The other half cancelled their subscription because they fired the editor, so they lose-lose really.
- thebradbain 6y ago
  They fired the editor because he admitted he himself “did not read the piece”. Seems like a fireable offense to print something you didn’t read, when it is quite literally your job to. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/business/new-york-times-op-ed-cotton.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/busi...
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    I bet he didn't read the piece, if he had he would have known it would have pissed off their base. Notice how they didn't say HOW the OPINION piece didn't meet their standard.
kshatrea 6y ago
I am not American and don't live there but have American friends. Most of them anecdotally were happy about the op-ed you mention - they probably aren't members of your political tribe. But then they don't subscribe to the NYT anyway. My point is that the GP is right, this is survival. They tried to be neutral by publishing an op-ed the other side probably liked. Didn't work and therefore it pushes them more into one camp to survive. Just a guess based on anecdotal information.
- mushbino 6y ago
  Your American friends were happy about a racist senator saying they should send in the military to kill peaceful protesters? People protesting police violence?
  - eeereerews 6y ago
    > Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants.
    - mushbino 6y ago
      Is ending centuries of systemic racism and extra-judicial killings at the hands of police worth some insured property damage? Tom Cotton doesn't think so.
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        It wasn't just property damage, and insurance isn't magic. David Dorn, a black ex-police officer, and 14 other people died due to the unhandled looting. If they would have sent National Guard in to protect storefronts those deaths would have never happened. Those peaceful protesters deserve protection from the looters as well btw.
        watwut 6y ago
there_the_and 6y ago
They reported at the beginning of May that subscriptions are at a high: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/media/new-york-times-earnings-subscriptions-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/media/new-york-t... Scanning the google results for “nyt subscribers” I see them reporting 5 million in Feb and 4.7 million in Aug 2019, so it looks to me like subscriptions have been accelerating in recent months. Can you please share the information you have regarding mass subscription cancellations due to this op-ed? I would like to see it.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  The op-ed was published on June 3rd.
  - there_the_and 6y ago
    I’m asking if you could please share links to the information you saw about about the widespread subscription cancellations that you referred to.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago

Individually, each entity composing the group we call "press", may find itself in geopardy. But as a whole, it's working. They are just copying each others, because they can see what works and what doesn't. But because everything has a context, and luck is involved, they will be many dying anyway.

bryanlarsen 6y ago

The newsroom revolted against the editor that published the "Send in the troops" article and got him fired. So for this anecdote it was the right strategy, it just didn't happen soon enough.

Khaine 6y ago
From the same organisation that published an op-ed from the Taliban. The whole thing is absolutely bizarre

rb808 6y ago

The other half cancelled their subscription because they fired the editor, so they lose-lose really.

thebradbain 6y ago
They fired the editor because he admitted he himself “did not read the piece”. Seems like a fireable offense to print something you didn’t read, when it is quite literally your job to. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/business/new-york-times-op-ed-cotton.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/busi...
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  I bet he didn't read the piece, if he had he would have known it would have pissed off their base. Notice how they didn't say HOW the OPINION piece didn't meet their standard.

kshatrea 6y ago

I am not American and don't live there but have American friends. Most of them anecdotally were happy about the op-ed you mention - they probably aren't members of your political tribe. But then they don't subscribe to the NYT anyway. My point is that the GP is right, this is survival. They tried to be neutral by publishing an op-ed the other side probably liked. Didn't work and therefore it pushes them more into one camp to survive. Just a guess based on anecdotal information.

mushbino 6y ago
Your American friends were happy about a racist senator saying they should send in the military to kill peaceful protesters? People protesting police violence?
- eeereerews 6y ago
  > Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants.
  - mushbino 6y ago
    Is ending centuries of systemic racism and extra-judicial killings at the hands of police worth some insured property damage? Tom Cotton doesn't think so.
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
      It wasn't just property damage, and insurance isn't magic. David Dorn, a black ex-police officer, and 14 other people died due to the unhandled looting. If they would have sent National Guard in to protect storefronts those deaths would have never happened. Those peaceful protesters deserve protection from the looters as well btw.
      - watwut 6y ago

there_the_and 6y ago

They reported at the beginning of May that subscriptions are at a high: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/media/new-york-times-earnings-subscriptions-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/media/new-york-t... Scanning the google results for “nyt subscribers” I see them reporting 5 million in Feb and 4.7 million in Aug 2019, so it looks to me like subscriptions have been accelerating in recent months. Can you please share the information you have regarding mass subscription cancellations due to this op-ed? I would like to see it.

CydeWeys 6y ago
The op-ed was published on June 3rd.
- there_the_and 6y ago
  I’m asking if you could please share links to the information you saw about about the widespread subscription cancellations that you referred to.