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That sounds like uncritical support for manufacturing consent, to me. I mean it's not like taibbi is speaking up for child molesters. He turned out to be fact

That sounds like uncritical support for manufacturing consent, to me. I mean it's not like taibbi is speaking up for child molesters. He turned out to be factually right about a lot of this stuff, but it was completely unacceptable to say so.

goatinaboat 6y ago
I mean it's not like taibbi is speaking up for child molesters Unlike, say, the NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-diso...
- fwn 6y ago
  Your characterization of the linked article could not be more wrong. They write about acknowledging the disorder of sexual attraction to prepubescents (=pedophilia) to prevent child abuse. Last sentence: > Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm. They even explicitly recognized your mistake in the article, which is the tendency to conflate the disorder and the crime.
  - Covzire 6y ago
    I think they really undercut their argument with "not a crime" in the title. They may be technically correct for non-offenders, but it's incredibly naive to think such a phrase in the title won't get a lot of scorn and suspicion, even if their hearts are in the right place.
    - fwn 6y ago
      It's not only "technically correct" but correct in every possible interpretation I can imagine. Do you know an interpretation in which the headline is wrong? A mental disorder is not a crime. Sure the title might be confusing for those who haven't thought about the difference between thought and deed, but that does not mean that readers should just not tell the truth about the articles conclusion. (..as our parents article description was clearly wrong.) I've yet to see an intellectually honest criticism of this article.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    Is espousing sympathy for pedophiles better or worse than the guy who was (probably) fired for tweeting that non violent protests work better than violent protests.
    - fwn 6y ago
      This is not about "sympathy". Their argument focusses on how to prevent child abuse best. There is really nothing controversial in there. Imagine the hypocrisy where people woult opt to create a system that might end up enabeling child abuse just so that they can continue to celebrate their moral panic.
- dang 6y ago
  "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    Just making an observation on what is and is not permitted to be published in the NY Times is all

goatinaboat 6y ago

I mean it's not like taibbi is speaking up for child molesters Unlike, say, the NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-diso...

fwn 6y ago
Your characterization of the linked article could not be more wrong. They write about acknowledging the disorder of sexual attraction to prepubescents (=pedophilia) to prevent child abuse. Last sentence: > Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm. They even explicitly recognized your mistake in the article, which is the tendency to conflate the disorder and the crime.
- Covzire 6y ago
  I think they really undercut their argument with "not a crime" in the title. They may be technically correct for non-offenders, but it's incredibly naive to think such a phrase in the title won't get a lot of scorn and suspicion, even if their hearts are in the right place.
  - fwn 6y ago
    It's not only "technically correct" but correct in every possible interpretation I can imagine. Do you know an interpretation in which the headline is wrong? A mental disorder is not a crime. Sure the title might be confusing for those who haven't thought about the difference between thought and deed, but that does not mean that readers should just not tell the truth about the articles conclusion. (..as our parents article description was clearly wrong.) I've yet to see an intellectually honest criticism of this article.
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  Is espousing sympathy for pedophiles better or worse than the guy who was (probably) fired for tweeting that non violent protests work better than violent protests.
  - fwn 6y ago
    This is not about "sympathy". Their argument focusses on how to prevent child abuse best. There is really nothing controversial in there. Imagine the hypocrisy where people woult opt to create a system that might end up enabeling child abuse just so that they can continue to celebrate their moral panic.
dang 6y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  Just making an observation on what is and is not permitted to be published in the NY Times is all