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So what - I hear this all the time. This particular article represents numerous opportunities to criticize the same issues on the other side of the isle, like h

So what - I hear this all the time. This particular article represents numerous opportunities to criticize the same issues on the other side of the isle, like how if you criticize Trump you are fired (See Shepherd Smith). The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue - and even so, is not evidence of this man's infallibility. If you wish to promote your journalists to demigod level, go ahead, I won't. But it seems that the right prefers to do this - because they need pseudo-intellectuals to help them sound smarter. > This article is nothing like Rush Limbaugh and there's tons of substance and supporting links behind it. Just because he's attacking his own side doesn't mean he's wrong. No, there isn't. He conflates statistics ("somewhat support != support, so no, a majority did not support Cotton's statement.) Second, he used the Daily Mail as the source for one of his claims, that only uses other right wing sights as the source for his claims. That isn't credible. You're fooling yourself. This man was an investigative journalist? Sure...maybe 10 years ago. > Do you think the data scientist who tweeted work by a black statistician about violent riots hurting election chances for the Democratic party deserve to be fired? If you do then you won't like this article, because you are part of the problem. Do you think that the countless number of career diplomats who dared speak up against Trump deserved to be fired? Do I think the inspector generals deserved to be fired? There are endless examples - you tell me, what's more dangerous, the private press having bias like they always did in OPINION sections and private companies protecting their PR, or a president stifling out any insight over government power? Yea, you tell me what is more of a threat. I'll wait.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
And - surprisingly enough, the "persecuted" conservatives on here are downvoting a differing opinion. That's all this is - they just don't like the other opinions. Go back to reading the Daily Mail and that confirmation bias loop while accusing the left of the same thing. pathetic.
- mancerayder 6y ago
  You're confusing substance with allegiance. Your arguments are ad-hominems. Which means they're not actually disproving anything or attempting to, but trying to discredit people by their allegiances. That's what this downvoting is for. And the persecution comment sounds like a sort of activist or provocation on your part. I'm speaking not as a conservative at all, but someone who values reason and calm argumentation. Activism and agitation belong elsewhere.
- dang 6y ago
  Political flamewar and/or personal attack will get you banned on HN. This thread has mostly managed to stay on the ok side, and has plenty of commenters representing views that I presume you would be sympathetic to. Please be like them and stick to the site guidelines, and don't contribute to wrecking the container as you have here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
JPKab 6y ago
"The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue" It was. You must be young. The NYT was a big reason that the center left went along with it. I have never forgiven them for that. You are assuming that I support Trump, or that the author does. I don't, and he doesn't. You are engaging in what-aboutism. Two things can be true at the same time. Sorry if I'm not as tribal as you are. Feel free to go find that on Twitter with the rest of the dopamine addicts. BTW, along with most people who read, I already know about the diplomats and Trump's misdeeds and hate them as much as you do. The fact that you assumed I didn't is the problem. "DefundThePolice" will get him reelected. If you don't know that, you either don't live in the US or have never been outside of a coastal city.
- mancerayder 6y ago
  > You are assuming that I support Trump, or that the author does. I don't, and he doesn't. You are engaging in what-aboutism. Seeing the person you're responding to's attitude fills me with a sort of depressing frustration. As a center-left person myself, I engage with people and I'm always up against the wall of what-aboutism. If I criticize Trump those folks start a rant about Obama or Biden. If I criticize the topic we're talking about here, I'm reminded about how mean the GOP is. For years I've been trying to wrap my head around this. HN doesn't like political conversation, I get it. But a HN-friendly topic would be, is technology itself to blame for this insane bifurcation of conversation, from topic-by-topic or subject-oriented reasoning and debate, to this head-scratching angry tribalism? Or is it just human nature somehow (whatever that means)?

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

And - surprisingly enough, the "persecuted" conservatives on here are downvoting a differing opinion. That's all this is - they just don't like the other opinions. Go back to reading the Daily Mail and that confirmation bias loop while accusing the left of the same thing. pathetic.

mancerayder 6y ago
You're confusing substance with allegiance. Your arguments are ad-hominems. Which means they're not actually disproving anything or attempting to, but trying to discredit people by their allegiances. That's what this downvoting is for. And the persecution comment sounds like a sort of activist or provocation on your part. I'm speaking not as a conservative at all, but someone who values reason and calm argumentation. Activism and agitation belong elsewhere.
dang 6y ago
Political flamewar and/or personal attack will get you banned on HN. This thread has mostly managed to stay on the ok side, and has plenty of commenters representing views that I presume you would be sympathetic to. Please be like them and stick to the site guidelines, and don't contribute to wrecking the container as you have here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

JPKab 6y ago

"The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue" It was. You must be young. The NYT was a big reason that the center left went along with it. I have never forgiven them for that. You are assuming that I support Trump, or that the author does. I don't, and he doesn't. You are engaging in what-aboutism. Two things can be true at the same time. Sorry if I'm not as tribal as you are. Feel free to go find that on Twitter with the rest of the dopamine addicts. BTW, along with most people who read, I already know about the diplomats and Trump's misdeeds and hate them as much as you do. The fact that you assumed I didn't is the problem. "DefundThePolice" will get him reelected. If you don't know that, you either don't live in the US or have never been outside of a coastal city.

mancerayder 6y ago
> You are assuming that I support Trump, or that the author does. I don't, and he doesn't. You are engaging in what-aboutism. Seeing the person you're responding to's attitude fills me with a sort of depressing frustration. As a center-left person myself, I engage with people and I'm always up against the wall of what-aboutism. If I criticize Trump those folks start a rant about Obama or Biden. If I criticize the topic we're talking about here, I'm reminded about how mean the GOP is. For years I've been trying to wrap my head around this. HN doesn't like political conversation, I get it. But a HN-friendly topic would be, is technology itself to blame for this insane bifurcation of conversation, from topic-by-topic or subject-oriented reasoning and debate, to this head-scratching angry tribalism? Or is it just human nature somehow (whatever that means)?