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Viraptor is right. Your "solution" is far from unversally acceptable. If you came to me as developer telling me that you did 2 months debug on test that fails r

Viraptor is right. Your "solution" is far from unversally acceptable. If you came to me as developer telling me that you did 2 months debug on test that fails randmoly once in a week and you didn't do much else, I would probably show you the dor as a team lead. We need to put things into perspective. I hate the flaky tests just as much as a next dude but seriously, you need to factor in everything - deadlines, features, CI/CD, metrics etc, while still having constant time frame. So lets not get into such polar opinions, its just not realistic at all. Life is never that ordered.

mpweiher 6y ago
If you came to me with that attitude, I would fire you immediately. This is, per definition, critical functionality, and we can't figure out whether it is working or not, and you are saying you don't care.
maccard 6y ago
> If you came to me as developer telling me that you did 2 months debug on test that fails randmoly once in a week and you didn't do much else, I would probably show you the dor as a team lead. We need to put things into perspective. This is a pretty polar opinion right here - it's not a flaky test that fails once a week, it's unreliable critical functionality. If I were _your_ lead and you told me you fired someone because they spent two months on something, I'd probably fire you for not knowing what your team are doing for two months.
- viraptor 6y ago
  > This is a pretty polar opinion right here - it's not a flaky test that fails once a week, it's unreliable critical functionality. It may be unreliable critical functionality, or unreliable test. In some cases it's obvious which one it is, in some it isn't. If you know it's the test, it becomes much less beneficial to spend days on it.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  I didn't say fire, didn't I, I said "show you the dor", like, get out from my office :P And seriously, if you fire someone for having a strong opinion, you should remind yourself that even little kids tollerate a far worse behavior.

mpweiher 6y ago

If you came to me with that attitude, I would fire you immediately. This is, per definition, critical functionality, and we can't figure out whether it is working or not, and you are saying you don't care.

maccard 6y ago

> If you came to me as developer telling me that you did 2 months debug on test that fails randmoly once in a week and you didn't do much else, I would probably show you the dor as a team lead. We need to put things into perspective. This is a pretty polar opinion right here - it's not a flaky test that fails once a week, it's unreliable critical functionality. If I were _your_ lead and you told me you fired someone because they spent two months on something, I'd probably fire you for not knowing what your team are doing for two months.

viraptor 6y ago
> This is a pretty polar opinion right here - it's not a flaky test that fails once a week, it's unreliable critical functionality. It may be unreliable critical functionality, or unreliable test. In some cases it's obvious which one it is, in some it isn't. If you know it's the test, it becomes much less beneficial to spend days on it.
majkinetor 6y ago
I didn't say fire, didn't I, I said "show you the dor", like, get out from my office :P And seriously, if you fire someone for having a strong opinion, you should remind yourself that even little kids tollerate a far worse behavior.