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Seems like the guys at HSBC tech department are still doing the whole fashion over merit.

sohamsankaran 6y ago
What's wild about this is that Mongo isn't even in fashion anymore! NoSQL has been supplanted by NewSQL, and relational dbs are in season again. Even if they were trying to follow the trend, they'd be a half-decade behind.
- catmanjan 6y ago
  Interesting, what is considered newsql? Postgres?
  - bob1029 6y ago
    SQLite is the hottest new thing on the block.
    - mkl 6y ago
      Huh? SQLite is nearly 20 years old, and is only intended for small scale use.
      - bob1029 6y ago
        It was intended as a joke in context, but I believe SQLite is far more capable than most will give it credit for. This is especially true for applications which you only ever intend to run on a single logical machine. But, even for those applications requiring multiple nodes, it can still be a powerful tool if you assume clustering & replication duty in your application logic. For any use case, SQLite is one of the best ways to persist structured data to local disk.
        mkl 6y ago
        Oh, I agree about its utility, and use it myself. It seems like a different category of tool than the other DBs under discussion, though.
        sohamsankaran 6y ago
        SQLite is incredible, especially for embedded applications. It's one of those perfectly-scoped tiny pieces of software that consistently makes my heart sing.
        waheoo 6y ago
        I try to use sqlite for all projects until i cant. Its a little scary how much it can actually handle, and how lazy and sub optimal it is to reach for a "real" sql server before you need it. Having the database as a simple file right next to yoyr application is incredibly convenient not to mention how brain dead things like backups are to grok.
  - sohamsankaran 6y ago
    I am not a fan of this buzzword (and indeed buzzwords in general, the comment above was intending to make fun of HSBC IT for even failing at the buzzword game), but the notion of NewSQL was roughly to keep the relational model and consistency guarantees of traditional SQL databases, but also have horizontal scalability in line with NoSQL databases. DBs like VoltDB and Spanner come to mind as examples -- here are two relevant blog posts from those teams: VoltDB: https://www.voltdb.com/blog/2016/09/nosql-vs-newsql-whats-difference/ https://www.voltdb.com/blog/2016/09/nosql-vs-newsql-whats-di... Spanner: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/from-nosql-to-new-sql-how-spanner-became-a-global-mission-critical-database https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/from-nosql-to-new...
  - geoah 6y ago
    Tidb, cockroachdb maybe?
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    No."Horizontally-scalable" SQL like CockroachDB, TiDB, Google's Spanner or YugabyteDB are examples of NewSQL, Postgres would be "OldSQL" if you will.
    - jtms 6y ago
      PostgreSQL still the best sql though :-)
- pydry 6y ago
  I work at another big corp in London and mongo has been doing a major sales push on us in the last 18 months (which wasn't pleasant to push back on). I'm fairly sure that this was driven by a similar sales push. Mongo has always been a sales and marketing company first and technology company second. I'd love to see a tear down of their sales and marketing strategy coz its clearly top notch.
  - mathattack 6y ago
    The strategy is called “Lie, Overwhelm, and Raise Rates on Renewal”
- rgoulter 6y ago
  I've never heard the term "NewSQL" before. Google Trends comparing "NewSQL" with "NoSQL" https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=NewSQL,NoSQL https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=N... (Peaking with its introduction in 2011). It doesn't seem like a more fashionable term than NoSQL.

What's wild about this is that Mongo isn't even in fashion anymore! NoSQL has been supplanted by NewSQL, and relational dbs are in season again. Even if they were trying to follow the trend, they'd be a half-decade behind.

catmanjan 6y ago
Interesting, what is considered newsql? Postgres?
- bob1029 6y ago
  SQLite is the hottest new thing on the block.
  - mkl 6y ago
    Huh? SQLite is nearly 20 years old, and is only intended for small scale use.
    - bob1029 6y ago
      It was intended as a joke in context, but I believe SQLite is far more capable than most will give it credit for. This is especially true for applications which you only ever intend to run on a single logical machine. But, even for those applications requiring multiple nodes, it can still be a powerful tool if you assume clustering & replication duty in your application logic. For any use case, SQLite is one of the best ways to persist structured data to local disk.
      - mkl 6y ago
        Oh, I agree about its utility, and use it myself. It seems like a different category of tool than the other DBs under discussion, though.
      - sohamsankaran 6y ago
        SQLite is incredible, especially for embedded applications. It's one of those perfectly-scoped tiny pieces of software that consistently makes my heart sing.
      - waheoo 6y ago
        I try to use sqlite for all projects until i cant. Its a little scary how much it can actually handle, and how lazy and sub optimal it is to reach for a "real" sql server before you need it. Having the database as a simple file right next to yoyr application is incredibly convenient not to mention how brain dead things like backups are to grok.
- sohamsankaran 6y ago
  I am not a fan of this buzzword (and indeed buzzwords in general, the comment above was intending to make fun of HSBC IT for even failing at the buzzword game), but the notion of NewSQL was roughly to keep the relational model and consistency guarantees of traditional SQL databases, but also have horizontal scalability in line with NoSQL databases. DBs like VoltDB and Spanner come to mind as examples -- here are two relevant blog posts from those teams: VoltDB: https://www.voltdb.com/blog/2016/09/nosql-vs-newsql-whats-difference/ https://www.voltdb.com/blog/2016/09/nosql-vs-newsql-whats-di... Spanner: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/from-nosql-to-new-sql-how-spanner-became-a-global-mission-critical-database https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/from-nosql-to-new...
- geoah 6y ago
  Tidb, cockroachdb maybe?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  No."Horizontally-scalable" SQL like CockroachDB, TiDB, Google's Spanner or YugabyteDB are examples of NewSQL, Postgres would be "OldSQL" if you will.
  - jtms 6y ago
    PostgreSQL still the best sql though :-)
pydry 6y ago
I work at another big corp in London and mongo has been doing a major sales push on us in the last 18 months (which wasn't pleasant to push back on). I'm fairly sure that this was driven by a similar sales push. Mongo has always been a sales and marketing company first and technology company second. I'd love to see a tear down of their sales and marketing strategy coz its clearly top notch.
- mathattack 6y ago
  The strategy is called “Lie, Overwhelm, and Raise Rates on Renewal”
rgoulter 6y ago
I've never heard the term "NewSQL" before. Google Trends comparing "NewSQL" with "NoSQL" https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=NewSQL,NoSQL https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=N... (Peaking with its introduction in 2011). It doesn't seem like a more fashionable term than NoSQL.