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The alternative is to not be in China at all. The problem with that of course, if that the softwares that do comply will suddently win an unfair market advanta

The alternative is to not be in China at all. The problem with that of course, if that the softwares that do comply will suddently win an unfair market advantage against the ones taking a moral stand.

Lio 6y ago
There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. If Zoom is a Chinese company with just a registered US office as has been suggested, then it would appear to be an attempt to circumvent that.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  > There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. Faire point. But what I'm expecting that we already do it: we probably ask for modifications in their software as well, it's not not something we talk about. > If Zoom is a Chinese company with just a registered US office as has been suggested, then it would appear to be an attempt to circumvent that. I would think it's more of a PR move. WeChat has such a reputation it would never make it into the west.
- totony 6y ago
  >There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. I'm not sure following local laws is considered as protectionism if the same standard is applied to local companies. Blocking market access would be applying unequal standards depending on origin (which I don't allege that they don't do - but for this particular case it doesn't look like they do).
fomine3 6y ago
This. Google does this for a long time while competitors don't do this but weirdly Google isn't praised well in HN or other places.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Google's history here isn't so clean. They spun backing out of China as something they did in the interest of free speech, but it was more a response to them getting hacked by the CCP (it's still not clear what was stolen, but something big happened). More recently they were trying to re-enter the space with a search engine designed to fully comply with the CCP's censorship laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) It's unclear what caused that to get shut down, but its leak and subsequent public pressure was probably a factor.

Lio 6y ago

There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. If Zoom is a Chinese company with just a registered US office as has been suggested, then it would appear to be an attempt to circumvent that.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
> There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. Faire point. But what I'm expecting that we already do it: we probably ask for modifications in their software as well, it's not not something we talk about. > If Zoom is a Chinese company with just a registered US office as has been suggested, then it would appear to be an attempt to circumvent that. I would think it's more of a PR move. WeChat has such a reputation it would never make it into the west.
totony 6y ago
>There is an argument that where China is blocking market access, the West should reciprocate. I'm not sure following local laws is considered as protectionism if the same standard is applied to local companies. Blocking market access would be applying unequal standards depending on origin (which I don't allege that they don't do - but for this particular case it doesn't look like they do).

fomine3 6y ago

This. Google does this for a long time while competitors don't do this but weirdly Google isn't praised well in HN or other places.

fossuser 6y ago
Google's history here isn't so clean. They spun backing out of China as something they did in the interest of free speech, but it was more a response to them getting hacked by the CCP (it's still not clear what was stolen, but something big happened). More recently they were trying to re-enter the space with a search engine designed to fully comply with the CCP's censorship laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) It's unclear what caused that to get shut down, but its leak and subsequent public pressure was probably a factor.