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Kubernetes already requires YAML. If you use Kubernetes, you might as well use Ansible. How YAML got so popular is a mystery to me. It's a huge pain. Then agai

Kubernetes already requires YAML. If you use Kubernetes, you might as well use Ansible. How YAML got so popular is a mystery to me. It's a huge pain. Then again, I've given up on fighting it, and simply learned how to use it, since I can't escape Kubernetes anyways.

nsonha 6y ago
What kind of logic is that? Lots of things use yaml they usually have some sort of templating engine on top, so whether the tool is friendly/adequate is depending on the templating capacity not the fact that it uses yaml, or any markup language for that matter. Also people are mostly arguing for code vs markup. yml, json, xml etc are all the same. Yml just happens to be more compact which helps with visibility in a big file.
lazyant 6y ago
> How YAML got so popular is a mystery to me. It's good at being human-readable. It's basically json with indents and comments. What other configuration format is out there that allows for tree structure and it's easier on humans? (not XML or json).
- randallsquared 6y ago
  I'd say YAML's good at seeming human-readable... JSON has some surprises and a lot of limitations, but is so much simpler than YAML that it seems worth putting up with them.
- raghava 6y ago
  > good at being human-readable If we consider high composability, non-ambiguity, clarity, expressability (even a word?) as aspects of "human readability" - YAML doesn't go very far in the scale across many of these. A language, with slightly more appealing (yet non-limiting for programmablity) declarative constructs seem very helpful for needs like this. It would be great to see any spider-web-graph of all these solutions across those aspects and thus help someone to take a wiser decision.
unionpivo 6y ago
problem is it's not even the same. Kubertinos yaml is similar enough to docker and docker compose, but has differences with anisible. Yaml is just like xml. They all kinda look similar, but can have big and important differences

nsonha 6y ago

What kind of logic is that? Lots of things use yaml they usually have some sort of templating engine on top, so whether the tool is friendly/adequate is depending on the templating capacity not the fact that it uses yaml, or any markup language for that matter. Also people are mostly arguing for code vs markup. yml, json, xml etc are all the same. Yml just happens to be more compact which helps with visibility in a big file.

lazyant 6y ago

> How YAML got so popular is a mystery to me. It's good at being human-readable. It's basically json with indents and comments. What other configuration format is out there that allows for tree structure and it's easier on humans? (not XML or json).

randallsquared 6y ago
I'd say YAML's good at seeming human-readable... JSON has some surprises and a lot of limitations, but is so much simpler than YAML that it seems worth putting up with them.
raghava 6y ago
> good at being human-readable If we consider high composability, non-ambiguity, clarity, expressability (even a word?) as aspects of "human readability" - YAML doesn't go very far in the scale across many of these. A language, with slightly more appealing (yet non-limiting for programmablity) declarative constructs seem very helpful for needs like this. It would be great to see any spider-web-graph of all these solutions across those aspects and thus help someone to take a wiser decision.

unionpivo 6y ago

problem is it's not even the same. Kubertinos yaml is similar enough to docker and docker compose, but has differences with anisible. Yaml is just like xml. They all kinda look similar, but can have big and important differences