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And the USA did allow violence against democratic organizers last week. But those same organizers weren't shipped to Guantanamo for indefinite periods of time
by komali2 6y ago
And the USA did allow violence against democratic organizers last week.
But those same organizers weren't shipped to Guantanamo for indefinite periods of time for "reeducation."
The USA suffers from some of what it accuses the PRC - it is still not the PRC.
- katbyte 6y agoThis. As outraged as I have been by America’s actions towards their protestors it’s honestly a lot different then HK let along tiananmen square (which my iPhone refuses to recognize.. well that’s fucked up yet expected I guess, and least Taiwan and 🇹🇼 Are there) Trump is doing trump but a lot of politicians and others have spoken out and marched - would that happen in China?
- jrockway 6y agoMy iPhone doesn't attempt to censor tiananmen square. Typing "tian" into the home screen search bar yields "tiananmen square", "tiana", "tiananmen square massacre", and "tiana musarra".
- iso947 6y agoIndeed, it’s a major tourism draw in Beijing, why would it be censored?
- katbyte 6y agoMaybe it’s chrome? I got a red squiggly line under tiananmen and presumed it was iOS. That’s my bad
- jrockway 6y agoMaybe the spell checker wanted you to capitalize it? Discord's spell check constantly tells me I've spelled "chicago", "wednesday", and "february" wrong. They're spelled right, but because they're proper nouns, they MUST be capitalized at any cost. It drives me mad.
- morelisp 6y ago> weren't shipped to Guantanamo for indefinite periods of time for "reeducation." But Ramsey Orta essentially was. The difference in the USA is solely one of pervasiveness, focus, intensity, not any particular outcome.
- Aunche 6y agoNobody is going to disagree that the US treats its citizens better, but we're talking about country's foreign influence here. China doesn't cripple the economy or bomb other countries they disagree with.
- rayiner 6y ago> China doesn't cripple the economy or bomb other countries they disagree with. Is that a bad thing if we're trying to promulgate our values?
- joyfulmantis 6y agoYes it is, no matter how good you think your values are the end never justifies the means
- fit2rule 6y agoSocieties which promulgate their values by murdering innocent people don't last long. Certainly you can see some fairly decent examples on the History Channel ...
- Aunche 6y agoI mean from the CCP's perspective, China is promulgating their values to the Uyghurs.
- komali2 6y agoDo they not? They certainly were willing to outright invade a sovereign nation of mostly peaceful monks (Tibet) with ground forces, then claim the territory as its own, something I don't think the USA has done since Puerto Rico (the expansionism specifically). They also challenge the sovereignty of Taiwan regularly - it was China who refused to allow two sovereign nations of Chinese origin when the UN switched the Chinese seat to the PRC. Different countries different tools. The PRC has only really come into its element in the last 3 decades. The USA's foreign policy advocates-through-violence (CIA) don't have the best track record for success but they do have 80 years of experience. Give China time and I expect they'll start doing the same.