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Might as well listen to Rush Limbaugh - you'll get the same arguments, and the same lack of substance, as this article, but with far more entertainment. In any

Might as well listen to Rush Limbaugh - you'll get the same arguments, and the same lack of substance, as this article, but with far more entertainment. In any case, the point he was trying to make is all well and good - the media should ask the tough questions and sometimes society impacts the flow of free thought. But it seems to Mr Taibbi only the left has this problem.

mydongle 6y ago
And you believe your response has substance to it? Where's your argument? Anything going through your head other than "Uoogh, he same as other guy I don't like!"
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JPKab 6y ago
Taibi has fought against the right wing for decades. some of us are old enough to remember when he was a voice of reason trying to counter the New York times supporting the invasion of Iraq on a phony weapons of mass destruction theory. This article is nothing like Rush Limbaugh and there's tons of substance and supporting links behind it. Just because he's attacking his own side doesn't mean he's wrong. Do you think the data scientist who tweeted work by a black statistician about violent riots hurting election chances for the Democratic party deserve to be fired? If you do then you won't like this article, because you are part of the problem.
- loopz 6y ago
  If someone can be legally fired for any reason, that is the problem. Deserving or not is entirely subjective, and opinions will always differ. Making them consequential, like EOs are part of the problem. It's just about abuse of power because they can spite you. There's a disturbing faith in authority presently. That media reports on these events or provide opinion pieces is not core to the accountability issues.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  So what - I hear this all the time. This particular article represents numerous opportunities to criticize the same issues on the other side of the isle, like how if you criticize Trump you are fired (See Shepherd Smith). The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue - and even so, is not evidence of this man's infallibility. If you wish to promote your journalists to demigod level, go ahead, I won't. But it seems that the right prefers to do this - because they need pseudo-intellectuals to help them sound smarter. > This article is nothing like Rush Limbaugh and there's tons of substance and supporting links behind it. Just because he's attacking his own side doesn't mean he's wrong. No, there isn't. He conflates statistics ("somewhat support != support, so no, a majority did not support Cotton's statement.) Second, he used the Daily Mail as the source for one of his claims, that only uses other right wing sights as the source for his claims. That isn't credible. You're fooling yourself. This man was an investigative journalist? Sure...maybe 10 years ago. > Do you think the data scientist who tweeted work by a black statistician about violent riots hurting election chances for the Democratic party deserve to be fired? If you do then you won't like this article, because you are part of the problem. Do you think that the countless number of career diplomats who dared speak up against Trump deserved to be fired? Do I think the inspector generals deserved to be fired? There are endless examples - you tell me, what's more dangerous, the private press having bias like they always did in OPINION sections and private companies protecting their PR, or a president stifling out any insight over government power? Yea, you tell me what is more of a threat. I'll wait.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    And - surprisingly enough, the "persecuted" conservatives on here are downvoting a differing opinion. That's all this is - they just don't like the other opinions. Go back to reading the Daily Mail and that confirmation bias loop while accusing the left of the same thing. pathetic.
    - mancerayder 6y ago
      You're confusing substance with allegiance. Your arguments are ad-hominems. Which means they're not actually disproving anything or attempting to, but trying to discredit people by their allegiances. That's what this downvoting is for. And the persecution comment sounds like a sort of activist or provocation on your part. I'm speaking not as a conservative at all, but someone who values reason and calm argumentation. Activism and agitation belong elsewhere.
- dang 6y ago
  Crossing into personal attack is not ok in HN arguments. I had to warn you elsewhere in this thread also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23512934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23512934. Please stick to the rules when posting here from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mydongle 6y ago

And you believe your response has substance to it? Where's your argument? Anything going through your head other than "Uoogh, he same as other guy I don't like!"

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JPKab 6y ago

Taibi has fought against the right wing for decades. some of us are old enough to remember when he was a voice of reason trying to counter the New York times supporting the invasion of Iraq on a phony weapons of mass destruction theory. This article is nothing like Rush Limbaugh and there's tons of substance and supporting links behind it. Just because he's attacking his own side doesn't mean he's wrong. Do you think the data scientist who tweeted work by a black statistician about violent riots hurting election chances for the Democratic party deserve to be fired? If you do then you won't like this article, because you are part of the problem.

loopz 6y ago
If someone can be legally fired for any reason, that is the problem. Deserving or not is entirely subjective, and opinions will always differ. Making them consequential, like EOs are part of the problem. It's just about abuse of power because they can spite you. There's a disturbing faith in authority presently. That media reports on these events or provide opinion pieces is not core to the accountability issues.
ntsplnkv2 6y ago
So what - I hear this all the time. This particular article represents numerous opportunities to criticize the same issues on the other side of the isle, like how if you criticize Trump you are fired (See Shepherd Smith). The War in Iraq was not a conservative/liberal issue - and even so, is not evidence of this man's infallibility. If you wish to promote your journalists to demigod level, go ahead, I won't. But it seems that the right prefers to do this - because they need pseudo-intellectuals to help them sound smarter. > This article is nothing like Rush Limbaugh and there's tons of substance and supporting links behind it. Just because he's attacking his own side doesn't mean he's wrong. No, there isn't. He conflates statistics ("somewhat support != support, so no, a majority did not support Cotton's statement.) Second, he used the Daily Mail as the source for one of his claims, that only uses other right wing sights as the source for his claims. That isn't credible. You're fooling yourself. This man was an investigative journalist? Sure...maybe 10 years ago. > Do you think the data scientist who tweeted work by a black statistician about violent riots hurting election chances for the Democratic party deserve to be fired? If you do then you won't like this article, because you are part of the problem. Do you think that the countless number of career diplomats who dared speak up against Trump deserved to be fired? Do I think the inspector generals deserved to be fired? There are endless examples - you tell me, what's more dangerous, the private press having bias like they always did in OPINION sections and private companies protecting their PR, or a president stifling out any insight over government power? Yea, you tell me what is more of a threat. I'll wait.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  And - surprisingly enough, the "persecuted" conservatives on here are downvoting a differing opinion. That's all this is - they just don't like the other opinions. Go back to reading the Daily Mail and that confirmation bias loop while accusing the left of the same thing. pathetic.
  - mancerayder 6y ago
    You're confusing substance with allegiance. Your arguments are ad-hominems. Which means they're not actually disproving anything or attempting to, but trying to discredit people by their allegiances. That's what this downvoting is for. And the persecution comment sounds like a sort of activist or provocation on your part. I'm speaking not as a conservative at all, but someone who values reason and calm argumentation. Activism and agitation belong elsewhere.
dang 6y ago
Crossing into personal attack is not ok in HN arguments. I had to warn you elsewhere in this thread also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23512934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23512934. Please stick to the rules when posting here from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html