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I understand that you are trying to be constructive, but I'm quite surprised by your use of "black high school" and "black colleges". Is it still a thing in the

by Seb-C 6y ago

I understand that you are trying to be constructive, but I'm quite surprised by your use of "black high school" and "black colleges". Is it still a thing in the US? Wouldn't focusing on fixing this situation be more beneficial than reinforcing it?

protomyth 6y ago
I understand that you are trying to be constructive, but I'm quite surprised by your use of "black high school" and "black colleges". Is it still a thing in the US? Yes it is "still a thing". They are mentioned in legislation as Black Colleges. It was an extremely big deal this year when Black Colleges were successful in lobbying for Title III funding. In fact, they are listed officially as Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). Native American's higher education institutions are referred to officially as Tribal Colleges and Universities (TCUs). Wouldn't focusing on fixing this situation be more beneficial than reinforcing it? So, yes, that is what they are referred to in legislation, so stop trying to imply someone is not using the right words. It really ticks me off when people wordsmith but don't bother actually engaging or knowing any of the history of the people they are being offended for. Maybe if you stopped implying racism where none exists, we would have a better world.
- Seb-C 6y ago
  Wow, I did not expect so much aggressivity. Sorry if I hit some sensible point, but my question certainly did not aim to imply any kind of judgement. I am not american and never heard about a "black college" before. Are those words (along with the TCUs you mentioned) used for historical reasons, or is there still segregation (wether legally or de-facto)? The meaning of my second question was actually that I disagree that "beefing up the Computer Science programs in black high schools" will help much beyond a little short term relief. Efforts should focus about understanding and fixing the systemic problems, not the symptoms.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    They aren't systematically segregated, mostly by circumstance and clustering by identity group. People tend to cluster in like-cultured communities either by country of origin and/or racial identity. It's not an absolute, but there are communities that are overwhelmingly black, chinese, japanese, etc. Of course most of the real divides come down to income class, which is part of what should take an emphasis in terms of possible distribution of education funding.
headcanon 6y ago
Wikipedia's got a good overview on why "Historically Black Colleges and Universities" exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_and_universities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_an... TL;DR, the reason why these exist is because of historical discrimination against black people in college admissions. While there is much less discrimination in admissions today then there was in, say, the early 1900's, these colleges still have a strong presence in the US today. And to your point, yes I think we all (or at least most of us) want to live in a world where we don't need race-based communities or institutions, but because our country still suffers from extreme race-based segregation and inequality, IMO it still makes sense to have these active support structures in place.

by Seb-C 6y ago

protomyth 6y ago

I understand that you are trying to be constructive, but I'm quite surprised by your use of "black high school" and "black colleges". Is it still a thing in the US? Yes it is "still a thing". They are mentioned in legislation as Black Colleges. It was an extremely big deal this year when Black Colleges were successful in lobbying for Title III funding. In fact, they are listed officially as Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). Native American's higher education institutions are referred to officially as Tribal Colleges and Universities (TCUs). Wouldn't focusing on fixing this situation be more beneficial than reinforcing it? So, yes, that is what they are referred to in legislation, so stop trying to imply someone is not using the right words. It really ticks me off when people wordsmith but don't bother actually engaging or knowing any of the history of the people they are being offended for. Maybe if you stopped implying racism where none exists, we would have a better world.

Seb-C 6y ago
Wow, I did not expect so much aggressivity. Sorry if I hit some sensible point, but my question certainly did not aim to imply any kind of judgement. I am not american and never heard about a "black college" before. Are those words (along with the TCUs you mentioned) used for historical reasons, or is there still segregation (wether legally or de-facto)? The meaning of my second question was actually that I disagree that "beefing up the Computer Science programs in black high schools" will help much beyond a little short term relief. Efforts should focus about understanding and fixing the systemic problems, not the symptoms.
- tracker1 6y ago
  They aren't systematically segregated, mostly by circumstance and clustering by identity group. People tend to cluster in like-cultured communities either by country of origin and/or racial identity. It's not an absolute, but there are communities that are overwhelmingly black, chinese, japanese, etc. Of course most of the real divides come down to income class, which is part of what should take an emphasis in terms of possible distribution of education funding.

headcanon 6y ago

Wikipedia's got a good overview on why "Historically Black Colleges and Universities" exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_and_universities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_an... TL;DR, the reason why these exist is because of historical discrimination against black people in college admissions. While there is much less discrimination in admissions today then there was in, say, the early 1900's, these colleges still have a strong presence in the US today. And to your point, yes I think we all (or at least most of us) want to live in a world where we don't need race-based communities or institutions, but because our country still suffers from extreme race-based segregation and inequality, IMO it still makes sense to have these active support structures in place.