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I'm willing to keep my mind open. How long it takes to set up a dev environment and push to cloud service? With appengine, 1) I sign up in 5 minutes, 2) clone

I'm willing to keep my mind open. How long it takes to set up a dev environment and push to cloud service? With appengine, 1) I sign up in 5 minutes, 2) clone an app in python or Java, 3) use my favorite free ide to edit the code 4) appcfg.py update Also, if I don't have any of the tools like git I just type: sudo apt-get git-core Heroku on AWS is just as easy. Can you provide a link showing how easy it is to get started with F#?

cschep 16y ago
Definitely check out appharbor.com, I think their goal is to be a "git push" away from deploying any .NET (F#/C#/VB.NET) app. I've not used them though.
mattmanser 16y ago
Hang on, I thought the author deliberately ruled out GAE because its performance is too ropey. Also step 2 sounds like magic and a recipe for disaster. Clone an app? What, with all its settings? Random library includes you weren't expecting? Don't confuse well trod paths with new roads, closure and F# are both new roads, you'll need to do a bit of work yourself. Also visual studio has a free edition these days. Anyway, my point is don't compare apples to oranges when the author said he can't use apples.
- va_coder 16y ago
  Yes Github is magic ;)
- va_coder 16y ago
  Last weekend, with no prior knowledge of JavaScript on the server, I created a full NodeJS, Express, Coffeescript, Jade, NPM stack and had it deployed to my linux VPS in less than a morning. It's my understanding it's not so easy to do that kind of learning and experimentation on Windows.
  - Devilboy 16y ago
    I'll have you know that Windows is every bit as easy to experiment and learn on. Microsoft go out of their way to make developer and sysadmin's jobs as easy as possible. New versions of the .net framework can be installed without restarting any services, all previous versions will keep running in parallel, etc. etc. Don't dis it till you've tried it.
  - mattmanser 16y ago
    I don't know why you think that, it's just as simple. Go to http://www.asp.net/get-started http://www.asp.net/get-started. Although I would recommend going down the MVC route as asp.net forms are sucky. http://www.asp.net/mvc http://www.asp.net/mvc I know there's an anti-MS tendency round here, but fast experimentation is just as easy with MS these days as it is with everyone else. The only gripe I've got with MS these days is that they seemed obsessed with videos, which are irritating as you can't go at your own pace (i.e. faster) and it's a nightmare when you just want to find that way of doing x that you remember seeing in the video but not at which point.
  - dennyferra 16y ago
    And AppHarbor is making it even easier to deploy .NET projects (YC funded) http://appharbor.com/ http://appharbor.com/
- rbanffy 16y ago
  > GAE because its performance is too ropey. It's much worse with Java. Instance startup times are a lot higher. > Clone an app? What, with all its settings? Random library includes you weren't expecting? In Python, at least, you just edit app.yaml and change app name and version. If there is a settings file, you also edit it. And libraries that are not provided by GAE should be included in the app, so, you are bundling dependencies Java-style. > Also visual studio has a free edition these days. Unfortunately running Windows takes away many nice things for developers.
  - ldh 16y ago
    >> Also visual studio has a free edition these days. >Unfortunately running Windows takes away many nice things for developers. This. Having essentially one choice in monolithic IDE which doesn't really provide anything novel you can't get elsewhere, without a nicely integrated POSIX shell and all the useful stuff that comes with it is a net lose IMO.
stonemetal 16y ago
Since F# is a .net language any ASP.net web host will be able to serve an app written in it.

cschep 16y ago

Definitely check out appharbor.com, I think their goal is to be a "git push" away from deploying any .NET (F#/C#/VB.NET) app. I've not used them though.

mattmanser 16y ago

Hang on, I thought the author deliberately ruled out GAE because its performance is too ropey. Also step 2 sounds like magic and a recipe for disaster. Clone an app? What, with all its settings? Random library includes you weren't expecting? Don't confuse well trod paths with new roads, closure and F# are both new roads, you'll need to do a bit of work yourself. Also visual studio has a free edition these days. Anyway, my point is don't compare apples to oranges when the author said he can't use apples.

va_coder 16y ago
Yes Github is magic ;)
va_coder 16y ago
Last weekend, with no prior knowledge of JavaScript on the server, I created a full NodeJS, Express, Coffeescript, Jade, NPM stack and had it deployed to my linux VPS in less than a morning. It's my understanding it's not so easy to do that kind of learning and experimentation on Windows.
- Devilboy 16y ago
  I'll have you know that Windows is every bit as easy to experiment and learn on. Microsoft go out of their way to make developer and sysadmin's jobs as easy as possible. New versions of the .net framework can be installed without restarting any services, all previous versions will keep running in parallel, etc. etc. Don't dis it till you've tried it.
- mattmanser 16y ago
  I don't know why you think that, it's just as simple. Go to http://www.asp.net/get-started http://www.asp.net/get-started. Although I would recommend going down the MVC route as asp.net forms are sucky. http://www.asp.net/mvc http://www.asp.net/mvc I know there's an anti-MS tendency round here, but fast experimentation is just as easy with MS these days as it is with everyone else. The only gripe I've got with MS these days is that they seemed obsessed with videos, which are irritating as you can't go at your own pace (i.e. faster) and it's a nightmare when you just want to find that way of doing x that you remember seeing in the video but not at which point.
- dennyferra 16y ago
  And AppHarbor is making it even easier to deploy .NET projects (YC funded) http://appharbor.com/ http://appharbor.com/
rbanffy 16y ago
> GAE because its performance is too ropey. It's much worse with Java. Instance startup times are a lot higher. > Clone an app? What, with all its settings? Random library includes you weren't expecting? In Python, at least, you just edit app.yaml and change app name and version. If there is a settings file, you also edit it. And libraries that are not provided by GAE should be included in the app, so, you are bundling dependencies Java-style. > Also visual studio has a free edition these days. Unfortunately running Windows takes away many nice things for developers.
- ldh 16y ago
  >> Also visual studio has a free edition these days. >Unfortunately running Windows takes away many nice things for developers. This. Having essentially one choice in monolithic IDE which doesn't really provide anything novel you can't get elsewhere, without a nicely integrated POSIX shell and all the useful stuff that comes with it is a net lose IMO.

stonemetal 16y ago

Since F# is a .net language any ASP.net web host will be able to serve an app written in it.