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Genuinely interested how you think their WebKit (which they started from KHTML back in the day) implementation has “poor support for modern browser features” I

Genuinely interested how you think their WebKit (which they started from KHTML back in the day) implementation has “poor support for modern browser features” I agree with browser lock in though. But I feel that iOS is so successful that they don’t treat the web as a second class citizen. It’s just WebKit...

realusername 6y ago
I'm a web developer, Safari mobile feels honestly on the borderline of being abandoned, every time I look at their new Safari release, there's a least a minimum of 6 to 8 years of lagging behind Chrome and Firefox (and that's just the features we're talking about here, not basic layout, forms & css bugs they still have...). I generally spend as much time to fix Safari mobile as IE11
- Nextgrid 6y ago
  What kind of features are we talking about though? As a user I don’t see what I really miss out on by using Safari. If anything, the lack of user-hostile features such as push notifications is a good thing.
  - realusername 6y ago
    You don't see you're missing out because there's people spending hours to adapt the website to make it work... For the features, I could mention from what I ran into myself: input[type="number"] (yes, they still have not fixed their implementation after all those years...), the full screen api, Media Source Extensions, css ::selection, Intersection Observers, autofocus (yes, even that does not work), I could add a lot more here. And that's not mentioning the various bugs you have on this platforms, again some example of what I ran into: - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18047353/fix-css-hover-on-iphone-ipad-ipod https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18047353/fix-css-hover-o... (yes, you read it well, even tapping on an element does not work as normal) - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11768364/svg-scaling-issues-in-safari https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11768364/svg-scaling-iss... (svg rendering issues) - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52826005/workaround-for-ios-10-12-webkit-safari-chrome-iframe-focus-bug https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52826005/workaround-for-... (iframe focus bug) There's plenty of weird quirks like this everywhere. It's never completely broken but it's pretty comparable to the time you spend fixing things on IE11 honestly.
- robertoandred 6y ago
  Laughably beyond hyperbole.

realusername 6y ago

I'm a web developer, Safari mobile feels honestly on the borderline of being abandoned, every time I look at their new Safari release, there's a least a minimum of 6 to 8 years of lagging behind Chrome and Firefox (and that's just the features we're talking about here, not basic layout, forms & css bugs they still have...). I generally spend as much time to fix Safari mobile as IE11

Nextgrid 6y ago
What kind of features are we talking about though? As a user I don’t see what I really miss out on by using Safari. If anything, the lack of user-hostile features such as push notifications is a good thing.
- realusername 6y ago
  You don't see you're missing out because there's people spending hours to adapt the website to make it work... For the features, I could mention from what I ran into myself: input[type="number"] (yes, they still have not fixed their implementation after all those years...), the full screen api, Media Source Extensions, css ::selection, Intersection Observers, autofocus (yes, even that does not work), I could add a lot more here. And that's not mentioning the various bugs you have on this platforms, again some example of what I ran into: - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18047353/fix-css-hover-on-iphone-ipad-ipod https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18047353/fix-css-hover-o... (yes, you read it well, even tapping on an element does not work as normal) - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11768364/svg-scaling-issues-in-safari https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11768364/svg-scaling-iss... (svg rendering issues) - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52826005/workaround-for-ios-10-12-webkit-safari-chrome-iframe-focus-bug https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52826005/workaround-for-... (iframe focus bug) There's plenty of weird quirks like this everywhere. It's never completely broken but it's pretty comparable to the time you spend fixing things on IE11 honestly.
robertoandred 6y ago
Laughably beyond hyperbole.