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I respectfully disagree. Flour is basically crushed wheat. Refined sugar is not crushed beet, and you would have to eat a lot of beet to eat the same amount of

by gdebel 6y ago

I respectfully disagree. Flour is basically crushed wheat. Refined sugar is not crushed beet, and you would have to eat a lot of beet to eat the same amount of sugar that you eat in a typical "industrial food" diet. I would not take paleo food as a reference, but rather look toward what our grandparents had for lunch when they were kids. I don't think they were doing so badly. And I don't cook like Bocuse everyday, the five mother sauces are not intended to be eaten on a daily basis :-)

dialamac 6y ago
Well sugar beets excluding water content are about 85% sucrose. Sugar production and consumption dates to antiquity, long before mass western obesity epidemics, a luxury item. It essentially became a staple food in the North American diet in the 20th century. Anyway, honey has a higher concentration of fructose so it has a lower GI than table sugar, but this difference is quite moderate (a few percent) - it seems to get overstated a lot on the web. Honey is basically refined/processed fuel produced by bees - and on evolutionary time scales it has been in use by humans about the same as sugar. Don’t get me wrong, it has chemical and physical properties that make it a beneficial sugar alternative - probably most of which is earlier satiety and therefore less consumption. If consumed in similar quantities it’s still going to make you fat. TANSTAAFL. My grandparents are probably older than average... but the life expectancy was a fair bit shorter just 100 years ago. Most didn’t even get the opportunity to live long enough to have gastric cancer (smoked meats) or a second MI.
komali2 6y ago
My grandparents ate Oscar Meyer hot dogs on bleached buns for lunch so not sure it's the best choice
antonvs 6y ago
> rather look toward what our grandparents had for lunch when they were kids. I don't think they were doing so badly. This is baseless nostalgia, not something to base health advice on.
Drakim 6y ago
The modern wheat is a product of a lot of breeding, just like we do with dogs. Because of it it's pretty different from anything you can find in nature. Wild varieties of wheat doesn't have nearly as much gluten, and the higher concentration results in a lot more children (myself being one of them) reacting to the protein with an immune disorder(celiac disease). So you can't just say "sugar bad, flour good" as if it was a binary decision. Everything has consequences on different levels.
- jbd0 6y ago
  Exactly. It took me a long time to piece together that modern wheat was making me sick. I don't think I ever would have if I hadn't been so intrigued by the gluten free diet trend and started researching it. I am able to eat whole grain spelt without problems.

by gdebel 6y ago

dialamac 6y ago

Well sugar beets excluding water content are about 85% sucrose. Sugar production and consumption dates to antiquity, long before mass western obesity epidemics, a luxury item. It essentially became a staple food in the North American diet in the 20th century. Anyway, honey has a higher concentration of fructose so it has a lower GI than table sugar, but this difference is quite moderate (a few percent) - it seems to get overstated a lot on the web. Honey is basically refined/processed fuel produced by bees - and on evolutionary time scales it has been in use by humans about the same as sugar. Don’t get me wrong, it has chemical and physical properties that make it a beneficial sugar alternative - probably most of which is earlier satiety and therefore less consumption. If consumed in similar quantities it’s still going to make you fat. TANSTAAFL. My grandparents are probably older than average... but the life expectancy was a fair bit shorter just 100 years ago. Most didn’t even get the opportunity to live long enough to have gastric cancer (smoked meats) or a second MI.

komali2 6y ago

My grandparents ate Oscar Meyer hot dogs on bleached buns for lunch so not sure it's the best choice

antonvs 6y ago

> rather look toward what our grandparents had for lunch when they were kids. I don't think they were doing so badly. This is baseless nostalgia, not something to base health advice on.

Drakim 6y ago

The modern wheat is a product of a lot of breeding, just like we do with dogs. Because of it it's pretty different from anything you can find in nature. Wild varieties of wheat doesn't have nearly as much gluten, and the higher concentration results in a lot more children (myself being one of them) reacting to the protein with an immune disorder(celiac disease). So you can't just say "sugar bad, flour good" as if it was a binary decision. Everything has consequences on different levels.

jbd0 6y ago
Exactly. It took me a long time to piece together that modern wheat was making me sick. I don't think I ever would have if I hadn't been so intrigued by the gluten free diet trend and started researching it. I am able to eat whole grain spelt without problems.