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>they were no more dangerous If they were arrested then statistically speaking they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals. I feel like o

>they were no more dangerous If they were arrested then statistically speaking they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals. I feel like one of the ultimate sources of tension in western society today is that one side puts far too much faith into the good in people, a perspective that can only come from ivory tower privilege. This comment is a perfect example. Sure, those who disagree will claim that the real problem is the opposite, but my point is that the side of the protestors lacks nuance in their worldview; often people are bad and you can't just blindly blame society for every criminal.

close04 6y ago
> they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals Or just have the wrong skin complexion. Getting arrested doesn't increase one's chances of being a criminal, that's not how reality or statistics work. It just increases their chance of being in jail by about 100% but they still have very much the same chances of being a criminal as they did right before being arrested.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  What planet are you living on? Even if you were to take nonviolent offenses like marihuana possession out of the sample, you are high if you are suggesting that you have better than coin-flip chances to pick any arrested person , and having that person be innocent. If you think cops are going around arresting people left and right coin flipping for catching real criminals, i have a bridge I'd like to sell to you.
bdcravens 6y ago
I wasn't comparing them to society as a whole. I was comparing them to others who made bail. The only difference was money. This isn't about nuance and good faith: any of those they wanted to release was entitled to get out at any moment.
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stordoff 6y ago
> If they were arrested then statistically speaking they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals. That was never the comparison - the bit you didn't quote was "than those who had bailed out for the same crimes". According to your argument, they are _also_ more likely than the average person to be criminals, yet we bail them out.

close04 6y ago

> they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals Or just have the wrong skin complexion. Getting arrested doesn't increase one's chances of being a criminal, that's not how reality or statistics work. It just increases their chance of being in jail by about 100% but they still have very much the same chances of being a criminal as they did right before being arrested.

IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
What planet are you living on? Even if you were to take nonviolent offenses like marihuana possession out of the sample, you are high if you are suggesting that you have better than coin-flip chances to pick any arrested person , and having that person be innocent. If you think cops are going around arresting people left and right coin flipping for catching real criminals, i have a bridge I'd like to sell to you.

bdcravens 6y ago

I wasn't comparing them to society as a whole. I was comparing them to others who made bail. The only difference was money. This isn't about nuance and good faith: any of those they wanted to release was entitled to get out at any moment.

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stordoff 6y ago

> If they were arrested then statistically speaking they are far more likely than the average person to be criminals. That was never the comparison - the bit you didn't quote was "than those who had bailed out for the same crimes". According to your argument, they are _also_ more likely than the average person to be criminals, yet we bail them out.