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In the United States our justice system applies the principal of "Innocent until proven guilty." In other words, when you are merely accused of a crime you are

In the United States our justice system applies the principal of "Innocent until proven guilty." In other words, when you are merely accused of a crime you are presumed to not be a criminal. The state has to actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, the accused, committed the crime. People in Jail are not criminals until they are put on trial, convicted, and sentenced at which point they are convicts and go to prison.

the-dude 6y ago
Right, they are suspect. But this was not the point the parent was making. He was comparing the paying group to the non-paying group. If you release more, you have more suspect dangerous criminals on the streets.
- close04 6y ago
  Wait, "dangerous" or "suspected dangerous"? Because most of the people in jail (not to be confused with prison/penitentiary) are not there for anything dangerous to begin with. A policeman decided they they should be locked up and that policeman doesn't need any particularly good reason for it.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> People in Jail are not criminals until they are put on trial, convicted, and sentenced at which point they are convicts and go to prison. For minor crimes (and in some places major crimes) they go to jail; the main jail/prison distinction in the US is that the former tends to be city or county and include pretrial detention and the latter tends to be state or federal and exclude pretrial detention. But jails, while they include pretrial detention, also include people serving sentences. > The state has to actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, the accused, committed the crime. No, the required proof is beyond a reasonable doubt.
metrokoi 6y ago
This is not correct. No one has a right to bail. It is perfectly legal to hold a defendant if they pose a flight risk or danger to the community. They are not criminals, but they are defendants. >Although the Eighth Amendment protects against excessive bail, there is not an absolute right to bail, as noted in The Bail Reform Act, 18 USC Chapter 207 (1984). Section 3142 of the Act denies bail to certain defendants pending trial, specifically denying bail to defendants likely to flee or pose a danger to society. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/excessive_bail https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/excessive_bail

the-dude 6y ago

Right, they are suspect. But this was not the point the parent was making. He was comparing the paying group to the non-paying group. If you release more, you have more suspect dangerous criminals on the streets.

close04 6y ago
Wait, "dangerous" or "suspected dangerous"? Because most of the people in jail (not to be confused with prison/penitentiary) are not there for anything dangerous to begin with. A policeman decided they they should be locked up and that policeman doesn't need any particularly good reason for it.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> People in Jail are not criminals until they are put on trial, convicted, and sentenced at which point they are convicts and go to prison. For minor crimes (and in some places major crimes) they go to jail; the main jail/prison distinction in the US is that the former tends to be city or county and include pretrial detention and the latter tends to be state or federal and exclude pretrial detention. But jails, while they include pretrial detention, also include people serving sentences. > The state has to actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, the accused, committed the crime. No, the required proof is beyond a reasonable doubt.

metrokoi 6y ago

This is not correct. No one has a right to bail. It is perfectly legal to hold a defendant if they pose a flight risk or danger to the community. They are not criminals, but they are defendants. >Although the Eighth Amendment protects against excessive bail, there is not an absolute right to bail, as noted in The Bail Reform Act, 18 USC Chapter 207 (1984). Section 3142 of the Act denies bail to certain defendants pending trial, specifically denying bail to defendants likely to flee or pose a danger to society. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/excessive_bail https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/excessive_bail