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It seems possible to me that creatures that are denied their biological imperative can develop some very aggressive behaviours. If 80+% of men in society are an

It seems possible to me that creatures that are denied their biological imperative can develop some very aggressive behaviours. If 80+% of men in society are angry, I'd be a bit scared.

watwut 6y ago
I would be scared to date them. Dating partner that angry when denied what he wants means you will get abused, either verbally or physically and likely both. And given strength difference between women and men, it is safer to be alone then with someone who is into outrage at 24 for not having partner yet.
- whytaka 6y ago
  I think people become more human the more you treat them as humans that can grow. If you see others through the lens of risk assessment, you'll surely see lots of risk.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Yeah, but I can treat people as human without putting myself in danger. I can treat a guy as human without entering romantic relationship. Romantic relationships don't cure anger nor violence. But, women who believe so are the typical domestic abuse victim. They date guys thinking they will change them and blaming themselves for abuse. I mean, abuse is a real thing (and both genders do abuse). But someone who can get so angry and is physically stronger is double bad news.
    - whytaka 6y ago
      > Romantic relationships don't cure anger nor violence. I can honestly pinpoint you the day my life changed forever for the better. It's the day I lost my virginity. That one moment where I felt myself being accepted made me realize I was good enough. Ever since then, I'd become less angry, more confident, more loving of myself, more charitable towards other people's insecurities instead of positioning myself higher in some imaginary pecking order. I am far from being truly non-judgmental. I am also still very competitive with others, not un-occasionally in some mean, vicious way. But I no longer feel completely rejected by women, which, for some reason, mattered so much before that very moment. Obviously, I am just one person and my anecdote may mean nothing to the breadth of your experiences. But I can't agree with this one sentence.
      - watwut 6y ago
        Had you had "very aggressive behavior" before then and turned into non aggressive person by single sex act? That would be a.) unusual and not confirmed by any study b.) honestly still too much risk for an individual to get into relationship.
        whytaka 6y ago
        I would definitely say I had a much more toxic attitude towards others before. I recall back then fantasizing about violence, either self-inflicted or unto others. While I'm sure there may be many studies that illustrate the continued abusive behaviour of men who have romantic relationships, I ask myself whether it's possible to show how many men would've been otherwise angry and aggressive had they not experienced acceptance earlier in their lives. And perhaps I have not specifically addressed your point that it is risky to date known angry people. And I am sure you are right about that. The point I was making however is more about being a very young man, the insecurities felt as a teenager, the moments that can change the trajectories of their lives, before they become truly angry men. I only hope that other insecure young men could experience that kind of relief from anxiety as I did.
        watwut 6y ago
        Yes, there is continuity of abusive behavior in relationship. In general, close family members and dependent people gets to experience that most. Note that this is not exclusive to male abuse, female abuse exists too and is more likely to happen to dependents and family. If you see sex as only proof of being accepted (as opposed to friendships and other social contacts), then I can see how it eases anxiety. It does not sound as if woman in question was important here. If it is about physical aspect, prostitution sounds like fair way to solve it. If it is about philosophical or social aspect, making self worth less dependent on sex would help there. The worth given by woman when having sex is however only illusion. Women deciding on having sex with you or not is not actually deciding on your worth. The range of reasons for sex varry quite a lot, from positive to negative, from emotional to practical or to physical or just routine. But actual decision making is not scoring of worth.
guskel 6y ago
From the view of the gene, no compromise should be made when facing the prospect of extinction.
- whytaka 6y ago
  I must have some screwed up genes, myself. Healthy, relatively well-off, and dare I say occasionally charming, I am seriously considering never having offspring.

It seems possible to me that creatures that are denied their biological imperative can develop some very aggressive behaviours. If 80+% of men in society are angry, I'd be a bit scared.

watwut 6y ago

I would be scared to date them. Dating partner that angry when denied what he wants means you will get abused, either verbally or physically and likely both. And given strength difference between women and men, it is safer to be alone then with someone who is into outrage at 24 for not having partner yet.

whytaka 6y ago
I think people become more human the more you treat them as humans that can grow. If you see others through the lens of risk assessment, you'll surely see lots of risk.
- watwut 6y ago
  Yeah, but I can treat people as human without putting myself in danger. I can treat a guy as human without entering romantic relationship. Romantic relationships don't cure anger nor violence. But, women who believe so are the typical domestic abuse victim. They date guys thinking they will change them and blaming themselves for abuse. I mean, abuse is a real thing (and both genders do abuse). But someone who can get so angry and is physically stronger is double bad news.
  - whytaka 6y ago
    > Romantic relationships don't cure anger nor violence. I can honestly pinpoint you the day my life changed forever for the better. It's the day I lost my virginity. That one moment where I felt myself being accepted made me realize I was good enough. Ever since then, I'd become less angry, more confident, more loving of myself, more charitable towards other people's insecurities instead of positioning myself higher in some imaginary pecking order. I am far from being truly non-judgmental. I am also still very competitive with others, not un-occasionally in some mean, vicious way. But I no longer feel completely rejected by women, which, for some reason, mattered so much before that very moment. Obviously, I am just one person and my anecdote may mean nothing to the breadth of your experiences. But I can't agree with this one sentence.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Had you had "very aggressive behavior" before then and turned into non aggressive person by single sex act? That would be a.) unusual and not confirmed by any study b.) honestly still too much risk for an individual to get into relationship.
      - whytaka 6y ago
        I would definitely say I had a much more toxic attitude towards others before. I recall back then fantasizing about violence, either self-inflicted or unto others. While I'm sure there may be many studies that illustrate the continued abusive behaviour of men who have romantic relationships, I ask myself whether it's possible to show how many men would've been otherwise angry and aggressive had they not experienced acceptance earlier in their lives. And perhaps I have not specifically addressed your point that it is risky to date known angry people. And I am sure you are right about that. The point I was making however is more about being a very young man, the insecurities felt as a teenager, the moments that can change the trajectories of their lives, before they become truly angry men. I only hope that other insecure young men could experience that kind of relief from anxiety as I did.
        watwut 6y ago
        Yes, there is continuity of abusive behavior in relationship. In general, close family members and dependent people gets to experience that most. Note that this is not exclusive to male abuse, female abuse exists too and is more likely to happen to dependents and family. If you see sex as only proof of being accepted (as opposed to friendships and other social contacts), then I can see how it eases anxiety. It does not sound as if woman in question was important here. If it is about physical aspect, prostitution sounds like fair way to solve it. If it is about philosophical or social aspect, making self worth less dependent on sex would help there. The worth given by woman when having sex is however only illusion. Women deciding on having sex with you or not is not actually deciding on your worth. The range of reasons for sex varry quite a lot, from positive to negative, from emotional to practical or to physical or just routine. But actual decision making is not scoring of worth.

guskel 6y ago

From the view of the gene, no compromise should be made when facing the prospect of extinction.

whytaka 6y ago
I must have some screwed up genes, myself. Healthy, relatively well-off, and dare I say occasionally charming, I am seriously considering never having offspring.