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Still could be a powder keg. Lack of sex will drive young men crazier than lack of wealth. “Incel” terrorism is already much more common than class terrorism wh

by ponker 6y ago

Still could be a powder keg. Lack of sex will drive young men crazier than lack of wealth. “Incel” terrorism is already much more common than class terrorism where poor people just start killing rich people.

michaelmrose 6y ago
Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. If you have ever talked with someone like this every one of them is someone who you would want to spend 10 seconds with their problem isn't done defect in women or society.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. I feel like 100% of your comments in this thread could be applied to any current social justice protests and they would be just as out of place, but you'd get shot down. There are studies, there's data, but for you it appears being able to imagine other reasons has more weight, and the studies get waved away with as "imaginary social problems". Why the hate?
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Incel communities absent moderation devolve quickly into hate for women, imaginary "facts", and veneration for acts of terrorism and murder. Those who promote the same fake facts as say the kkk but don't directly call for lynching arouse the same visceral reaction if you recognize the similarities. It is exactly like visiting a white supremacist online community with a different target population.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      > Incel communities absent moderation devolve quickly into hate for women, imaginary "facts", and veneration for acts of terrorism and murder. Right, right, but nothing like that has happened here, yet you've imagined, shall we say, alternative facts as possible explanations of what has been scientifically studied. Why? > It is exactly like visiting a white supremacist online community with a different target population. To be honest, you sound like one, only with a slightly different perspective. They'd replace "incel" with "nigger" and spout pretty much the same stuff. If you showed them studies on police violence, they'd say "Maybe that isn't real and many in fact are just criminals", making up some random thing that may or may not explain something (without offering any statistics, of course, and ignoring statistics that suggest the opposite) and speak of "imaginary social issues".
      - hypewatch 6y ago
        > Right, right, but nothing like that has happened here Eliot Rodger, 2014 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings I was a student at UCSB at the time. He killed one of my good friends. He was a hardcore incel before it was a thing. Many incel communities praise this monster.
- downerending 6y ago
  > Them being defective That's a pretty gross way of looking at the world.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Perhaps you mistakenly believe I said all the people who missing out on human interaction are defective. This isn't so. Lets review context. the parent poster >> “Incel” terrorism is already much more common than class terrorism My response > Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available The subject is people who literally commit acts of terror and murder because they themselves collectively blame women for not having sex with them and instead collectively gifting their virtue to higher status men instead of concluding that they are failing at the mating game. There is NOTHING that society needs to fix about itself in order to avoid mutilation and murder. The perpetrators of such crimes are defective in the literal not pejorative sense in the same fashion that a leaky gas line that is liable to blow up and kill people. Suggesting that resources be devoted to help such people before their actions harm themselves or others is the opposite of gross.
    - downerending 6y ago
      Calling people "defective" is highly pejorative in virtually any context. It's certainly a great way to get people to stop listening.
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        You can't communicate with people who murder people because they can't get laid. You communicate with the people who are not far gone.

by ponker 6y ago

michaelmrose 6y ago

Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. If you have ever talked with someone like this every one of them is someone who you would want to spend 10 seconds with their problem isn't done defect in women or society.

luckylion 6y ago
> Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. I feel like 100% of your comments in this thread could be applied to any current social justice protests and they would be just as out of place, but you'd get shot down. There are studies, there's data, but for you it appears being able to imagine other reasons has more weight, and the studies get waved away with as "imaginary social problems". Why the hate?
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Incel communities absent moderation devolve quickly into hate for women, imaginary "facts", and veneration for acts of terrorism and murder. Those who promote the same fake facts as say the kkk but don't directly call for lynching arouse the same visceral reaction if you recognize the similarities. It is exactly like visiting a white supremacist online community with a different target population.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > Incel communities absent moderation devolve quickly into hate for women, imaginary "facts", and veneration for acts of terrorism and murder. Right, right, but nothing like that has happened here, yet you've imagined, shall we say, alternative facts as possible explanations of what has been scientifically studied. Why? > It is exactly like visiting a white supremacist online community with a different target population. To be honest, you sound like one, only with a slightly different perspective. They'd replace "incel" with "nigger" and spout pretty much the same stuff. If you showed them studies on police violence, they'd say "Maybe that isn't real and many in fact are just criminals", making up some random thing that may or may not explain something (without offering any statistics, of course, and ignoring statistics that suggest the opposite) and speak of "imaginary social issues".
    - hypewatch 6y ago
      > Right, right, but nothing like that has happened here Eliot Rodger, 2014 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings I was a student at UCSB at the time. He killed one of my good friends. He was a hardcore incel before it was a thing. Many incel communities praise this monster.
downerending 6y ago
> Them being defective That's a pretty gross way of looking at the world.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Perhaps you mistakenly believe I said all the people who missing out on human interaction are defective. This isn't so. Lets review context. the parent poster >> “Incel” terrorism is already much more common than class terrorism My response > Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available The subject is people who literally commit acts of terror and murder because they themselves collectively blame women for not having sex with them and instead collectively gifting their virtue to higher status men instead of concluding that they are failing at the mating game. There is NOTHING that society needs to fix about itself in order to avoid mutilation and murder. The perpetrators of such crimes are defective in the literal not pejorative sense in the same fashion that a leaky gas line that is liable to blow up and kill people. Suggesting that resources be devoted to help such people before their actions harm themselves or others is the opposite of gross.
  - downerending 6y ago
    Calling people "defective" is highly pejorative in virtually any context. It's certainly a great way to get people to stop listening.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      You can't communicate with people who murder people because they can't get laid. You communicate with the people who are not far gone.