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I don't have data for this but I believe that legal polygamy is a big contributor to political extremism. Sexual frustration leads to inferiority complexes that

by foepys 6y ago

I don't have data for this but I believe that legal polygamy is a big contributor to political extremism. Sexual frustration leads to inferiority complexes that result in aggression against the norm. As an example I see the Middle East where polygamy is not unheard of and the rise of the Islamic State or the Taliban. Would be interesting if anybody has data on this.

vowelless 6y ago
No. That extremism can be explained by oppressive sexual culture in general, not only polygamy (which is not as widespread as people think). You can’t even date. Many marry young for that reason.
- jeffreyrogers 6y ago
  You can't separate the factors like you're trying to do.
- redisman 6y ago
  And more powerful nations slicing up and occupying your country willy-nilly for centuries?
  - vowelless 6y ago
    Not centuries; since Sykes Picot. The sexually repressive culture and extremism predates SP by centuries in fact.
jchallis 6y ago
Economist had an interesting article on violence related to polygamy. I'd be interested if political extremism is a subcase of a violence or something orthogonal. https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-...
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Weird that all the anonymous Pakistani names they chose are Hindu or Sikh. A Hindu judge is rare but possible. Polygamy for Hindus was abolished in India in the 1950s but grandfathered in (the word for co-wife, sotan, still exists but I've never heard Muslims use it), but Pakistan just passed a new Hindu Marriage bill and I don't know the status of polygamy under it.
Barrin92 6y ago
The 20th century was probably the most consequential one in terms of political extremism in the world and there wasn't a lot of polygamy or online dating happening in Europe at least. Japan and South Korea, two of the most stable and conformist countries politically are notorious for their low rates of sex, particular among young men. This sounds purely like folk psychology to be honest, people just love somehow attributing sexual motivations to just about everything. To me, this feels like plotting skyscraper construction against sex rates in Asia and then concluding that male architects are channelling their phallic energy into architecture, you can really apply this to everything
akiselev 6y ago
Both the Islamic State and Taliban were formed by soldiers and insurgents left over from military invasions of the Middle East. The former came to prominence thanks to a lot of Bathists in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion - many were officers during Saddam's regime - and the latter by the mujahideen, who fought the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and had plenty of military hardware left over to form a powerful army afterwards. The pressure from polygamy might have contributed to the individual motivations for some people to join those groups, but it was probably far from a significant factor in the geopolitics.
- evv555 6y ago
  "How the Islamic State recruits young men by kidnapping girls to be their sex slaves" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/islamic-state-recruits-young-men-kidnapping-girls-sex-slaves/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/islamic-state-re...
  - pas 6y ago
    Non-paywalled: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kidnapped-sex-slaves-help-isis-gain-turf-in-afghanistan-1848128 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kidnapped-sex-slaves-help-is...
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Not only that, lots of the IS people were in Saddam's Mukhabarat (intelligence), where either they had the social prestige to get matches or more crudely speaking, could probably grab women off the street.
newguy1234 6y ago
Just research the rise of incel subcultures and there is your evidence.
grahamburger 6y ago
There's also this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamenta...
akvadrako 6y ago
My understanding is that one of the main reasons religion was so important to the success of societies was it’s control over sex. What worked best for most places was monogamy. With a partner men are more likely to use their energy for their family instead of antisocial tendencies. This isn’t my theory; I think the technical term is “enforced monogamy” if you want to find data.

by foepys 6y ago

vowelless 6y ago

No. That extremism can be explained by oppressive sexual culture in general, not only polygamy (which is not as widespread as people think). You can’t even date. Many marry young for that reason.

jeffreyrogers 6y ago
You can't separate the factors like you're trying to do.
redisman 6y ago
And more powerful nations slicing up and occupying your country willy-nilly for centuries?
- vowelless 6y ago
  Not centuries; since Sykes Picot. The sexually repressive culture and extremism predates SP by centuries in fact.

jchallis 6y ago

Economist had an interesting article on violence related to polygamy. I'd be interested if political extremism is a subcase of a violence or something orthogonal. https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-...

selimthegrim 6y ago
Weird that all the anonymous Pakistani names they chose are Hindu or Sikh. A Hindu judge is rare but possible. Polygamy for Hindus was abolished in India in the 1950s but grandfathered in (the word for co-wife, sotan, still exists but I've never heard Muslims use it), but Pakistan just passed a new Hindu Marriage bill and I don't know the status of polygamy under it.

Barrin92 6y ago

The 20th century was probably the most consequential one in terms of political extremism in the world and there wasn't a lot of polygamy or online dating happening in Europe at least. Japan and South Korea, two of the most stable and conformist countries politically are notorious for their low rates of sex, particular among young men. This sounds purely like folk psychology to be honest, people just love somehow attributing sexual motivations to just about everything. To me, this feels like plotting skyscraper construction against sex rates in Asia and then concluding that male architects are channelling their phallic energy into architecture, you can really apply this to everything

akiselev 6y ago

Both the Islamic State and Taliban were formed by soldiers and insurgents left over from military invasions of the Middle East. The former came to prominence thanks to a lot of Bathists in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion - many were officers during Saddam's regime - and the latter by the mujahideen, who fought the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and had plenty of military hardware left over to form a powerful army afterwards. The pressure from polygamy might have contributed to the individual motivations for some people to join those groups, but it was probably far from a significant factor in the geopolitics.

evv555 6y ago
"How the Islamic State recruits young men by kidnapping girls to be their sex slaves" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/islamic-state-recruits-young-men-kidnapping-girls-sex-slaves/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/islamic-state-re...
- pas 6y ago
  Non-paywalled: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kidnapped-sex-slaves-help-isis-gain-turf-in-afghanistan-1848128 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kidnapped-sex-slaves-help-is...
selimthegrim 6y ago
Not only that, lots of the IS people were in Saddam's Mukhabarat (intelligence), where either they had the social prestige to get matches or more crudely speaking, could probably grab women off the street.

newguy1234 6y ago

Just research the rise of incel subcultures and there is your evidence.

grahamburger 6y ago

There's also this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamenta...

akvadrako 6y ago

My understanding is that one of the main reasons religion was so important to the success of societies was it’s control over sex. What worked best for most places was monogamy. With a partner men are more likely to use their energy for their family instead of antisocial tendencies. This isn’t my theory; I think the technical term is “enforced monogamy” if you want to find data.