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> company to choose a side: American principles and free-speech, or short-term global profits and censorship Or both. Like most other companies.

by orf 6y ago

catalogia 6y ago
Senator Hawley has evidently not criticized Zoom alone, but other companies as well. > "One week ago today, I sent a letter to American companies like yours, asking them to put American principles and free nations around the world first."
- orf 6y ago
  And which companies, specifically, did he criticize? One week ago he sent a letter[1] to "American Companies in China". I didn't notice an uptick in paper stocks, so I assume he didn't actually send this letter to all "American companies in China" but instead just put this out there on his website like a fart in the wind. Very brave. 1. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Hawley-Letter-US-Companies-China-Hong-Kong.pdf https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Ha...
  - catalogia 6y ago
    Whether or not paper vs digital communication is a matter of bravery of cowardice (I'm a bit confused by the supposed connection between these concepts..) seems irrelevant.
    - orf 6y ago
      The joke was that there are so many American companies in China that to send a physical letter to them would cause paper stocks to rise. And, because there are so many, addressing no company in particular is futile - it’s like a fart in the wind. Nobody will hear it.
mikestew 6y ago
Or both. You're assuming there was ever a dichotomy to being with. Many have demonstrated that a company can have "American principles" and short-term global profits and censorship at the same time. Companies have been doing it since China "opened up" in the 70s and 80s. I would also request that the Senator from Missouri give me a specific list of what constitutes "American principles". I'll bet his list is at least slightly different than my list. But there I go, assuming that a solution was being sought and not just posturing.
- orf 6y ago
  > I would also request that the Senator from Missouri give me a specific list of what constitutes "American principles" You can get a great picture of his (parties) principals by his press releases. Yada yada relgious freedom, police are good, "radical left" is bad, planned parenthood is the devil etc. 1. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/press-releases https://www.hawley.senate.gov/press-releases
  - mikestew 6y ago
    I was being ever so slightly facetious (I'm sure a MO Republican's views differ greatly from those of my West Coast Liberal(tm) arse), but thanks for the list as it solidifies what I was merely guessing at. :-)

> company to choose a side: American principles and free-speech, or short-term global profits and censorship Or both. Like most other companies.

by orf 6y ago

> company to choose a side: American principles and free-speech, or short-term global profits and censorship Or both. Like most other companies.

catalogia 6y ago

Senator Hawley has evidently not criticized Zoom alone, but other companies as well. > "One week ago today, I sent a letter to American companies like yours, asking them to put American principles and free nations around the world first."

orf 6y ago
And which companies, specifically, did he criticize? One week ago he sent a letter[1] to "American Companies in China". I didn't notice an uptick in paper stocks, so I assume he didn't actually send this letter to all "American companies in China" but instead just put this out there on his website like a fart in the wind. Very brave. 1. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Hawley-Letter-US-Companies-China-Hong-Kong.pdf https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Ha...
- catalogia 6y ago
  Whether or not paper vs digital communication is a matter of bravery of cowardice (I'm a bit confused by the supposed connection between these concepts..) seems irrelevant.
  - orf 6y ago
    The joke was that there are so many American companies in China that to send a physical letter to them would cause paper stocks to rise. And, because there are so many, addressing no company in particular is futile - it’s like a fart in the wind. Nobody will hear it.

mikestew 6y ago

Or both. You're assuming there was ever a dichotomy to being with. Many have demonstrated that a company can have "American principles" and short-term global profits and censorship at the same time. Companies have been doing it since China "opened up" in the 70s and 80s. I would also request that the Senator from Missouri give me a specific list of what constitutes "American principles". I'll bet his list is at least slightly different than my list. But there I go, assuming that a solution was being sought and not just posturing.

orf 6y ago
> I would also request that the Senator from Missouri give me a specific list of what constitutes "American principles" You can get a great picture of his (parties) principals by his press releases. Yada yada relgious freedom, police are good, "radical left" is bad, planned parenthood is the devil etc. 1. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/press-releases https://www.hawley.senate.gov/press-releases
- mikestew 6y ago
  I was being ever so slightly facetious (I'm sure a MO Republican's views differ greatly from those of my West Coast Liberal(tm) arse), but thanks for the list as it solidifies what I was merely guessing at. :-)