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FYI the Seattle Police Department retracted previous claims yesterday: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-jun

by pera 6y ago

FYI the Seattle Police Department retracted previous claims yesterday: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-june-11/#update-12846417 https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-prote... This is not the first time Chief Best and the SPD made things up during these events, and in fact they have a long history of misbehavior: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/12/16/spd_findletter_12-16-11.pdf https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/... Note that in your video Best is not being too explicit on where exactly those crime reports happened, she just says "in the area" while talking about their response times (CHAZ is a relatively important intersection of Capitol Hill and it is causing some traffic). Note also that this video was filmed in the East Precinct itself (i.e. inside CHAZ). After everything that happened over the last few weeks it is now my belief that they are being dishonest, which is why two days ago I submitted my first FOIA request to learn more about some events connected to the Seattle Police Department. By the way, I don't think many people here in Seattle believes this is an "utopia" nor anything close to that, in fact I think that CHAZ may be moving away attention from BLM.

rideontime 6y ago
Note that Andy Ngo himself, author of the tweet linked in the grandparent, helped spread the false claims that SPD has retracted: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616
- dmix 6y ago
  He was quoting the police chief in the video? Doesn't seem very malicious to me.
  - rideontime 6y ago
    He refers to his "sources" right in this tweet, which predates the police statement.
    - dmix 6y ago
      Ah, I thought you were referring to the original tweet which has the source video in the tweet. So that separate claim of business extortion is what was retracted by SPD?
      - rideontime 6y ago
        So far.
      - toofy 6y ago
        It was. The Seattle Times [1]: This is a rather long mega thread kind of post, but if you do a ‘Find’ for the headline, it’ll take you there: Headline to search: Police walk back report that Capitol Hill protesters extorted businesses For the too lazy to click, here are some quotes: > That has not happened affirmatively,” Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best in a news conference Thursday afternoon, adding that the police department had based earlier claims on anecdotal reports, including in the news and on social media. “We haven’t had any formal reports of this occurring.” > In a news conference Wednesday, Assistant Seattle Police Chief Deanna Nollette said police have heard from Capitol Hill community members that some protesters have asked business owners to pay a fee to operate in a roughly six-block area around the precinct. Best repeated the claim in a video address to officers Thursday morning.” > The police narrative rang false to many in the Capitol Hill business community. Restaurant owners said they hadn’t heard any reports of extortion in the Autonomous Zone. On the contrary: Sales are strong and the increase in walk-up business is cutting down on delivery costs. > “This protest has not hurt us at all,” said Bok a Bok Chicken co-owner Brian O’Connor... > ” Apart from those sources, Christina Arrington, who heads the Capitol Hill branch of the Greater Seattle Business Association, said she has had “no other indications that this is taking place.” The GSBA “found no evidence of this occurring,” the group tweeted, based on conversations with area business.” The Greater Seattle Business Association tweeted [2]: > ” GSBA and Capitol Hill Business Alliance have also reached out to businesses in the area, and we have found no evidence of this occurring.” Relevant Seattle area Reddit threads [3][4][5], at least one of which points out how the sinclair owned stations are still running with proven untruths. (For those who don’t remember, Sinclair is company who owns TV and newspapers all over the country and were forcing newscasters to read the same scripted pro-trump news in stations across the country.) [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-june-11/?amp=1 https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-prote... [2] https://www.twitter.com/GSBA/status/1271132476329431040 https://www.twitter.com/GSBA/status/1271132476329431040 [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7ecp2/seattle_police_chief_admits_gaslighting_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7ecp2/seattle_p... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7uf4l/komo_news_still_hasnt_walked_back_their_claims_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7uf4l/komo_news... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h78xn0/police_walk_back_report_that_capitol_hill/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h78xn0/police_wa...
- electricEmu 6y ago
  Ando Ngo has frequently posted information to intentionally muddy the situation and incite an anger against protestors. As a Seattle resident, my fear is that people are beginning to act on this disinformation from Andy Ngo and others. Here, a multi-racial family was menaced by residents of Forks, WA. Residents actually cut down trees to block the road. https://q13fox.com/2020/06/05/spokane-family-harassed-stranded-on-olympic-peninsula-after-locals-accuse-them-of-antifa-affiliation/ https://q13fox.com/2020/06/05/spokane-family-harassed-strand... Here, a police offier's relative drove into the protests, shot a protestor, and ran to the police station. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/seattle-shooting-protest/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/seattle-sho... While these instances are not widespread, they are incredibly troubling.

by pera 6y ago

rideontime 6y ago

Note that Andy Ngo himself, author of the tweet linked in the grandparent, helped spread the false claims that SPD has retracted: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616

dmix 6y ago
He was quoting the police chief in the video? Doesn't seem very malicious to me.
- rideontime 6y ago
  He refers to his "sources" right in this tweet, which predates the police statement.
  - dmix 6y ago
    Ah, I thought you were referring to the original tweet which has the source video in the tweet. So that separate claim of business extortion is what was retracted by SPD?
    - rideontime 6y ago
      So far.
    - toofy 6y ago
      It was. The Seattle Times [1]: This is a rather long mega thread kind of post, but if you do a ‘Find’ for the headline, it’ll take you there: Headline to search: Police walk back report that Capitol Hill protesters extorted businesses For the too lazy to click, here are some quotes: > That has not happened affirmatively,” Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best in a news conference Thursday afternoon, adding that the police department had based earlier claims on anecdotal reports, including in the news and on social media. “We haven’t had any formal reports of this occurring.” > In a news conference Wednesday, Assistant Seattle Police Chief Deanna Nollette said police have heard from Capitol Hill community members that some protesters have asked business owners to pay a fee to operate in a roughly six-block area around the precinct. Best repeated the claim in a video address to officers Thursday morning.” > The police narrative rang false to many in the Capitol Hill business community. Restaurant owners said they hadn’t heard any reports of extortion in the Autonomous Zone. On the contrary: Sales are strong and the increase in walk-up business is cutting down on delivery costs. > “This protest has not hurt us at all,” said Bok a Bok Chicken co-owner Brian O’Connor... > ” Apart from those sources, Christina Arrington, who heads the Capitol Hill branch of the Greater Seattle Business Association, said she has had “no other indications that this is taking place.” The GSBA “found no evidence of this occurring,” the group tweeted, based on conversations with area business.” The Greater Seattle Business Association tweeted [2]: > ” GSBA and Capitol Hill Business Alliance have also reached out to businesses in the area, and we have found no evidence of this occurring.” Relevant Seattle area Reddit threads [3][4][5], at least one of which points out how the sinclair owned stations are still running with proven untruths. (For those who don’t remember, Sinclair is company who owns TV and newspapers all over the country and were forcing newscasters to read the same scripted pro-trump news in stations across the country.) [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-june-11/?amp=1 https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-prote... [2] https://www.twitter.com/GSBA/status/1271132476329431040 https://www.twitter.com/GSBA/status/1271132476329431040 [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7ecp2/seattle_police_chief_admits_gaslighting_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7ecp2/seattle_p... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7uf4l/komo_news_still_hasnt_walked_back_their_claims_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h7uf4l/komo_news... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h78xn0/police_walk_back_report_that_capitol_hill/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/h78xn0/police_wa...
electricEmu 6y ago
Ando Ngo has frequently posted information to intentionally muddy the situation and incite an anger against protestors. As a Seattle resident, my fear is that people are beginning to act on this disinformation from Andy Ngo and others. Here, a multi-racial family was menaced by residents of Forks, WA. Residents actually cut down trees to block the road. https://q13fox.com/2020/06/05/spokane-family-harassed-stranded-on-olympic-peninsula-after-locals-accuse-them-of-antifa-affiliation/ https://q13fox.com/2020/06/05/spokane-family-harassed-strand... Here, a police offier's relative drove into the protests, shot a protestor, and ran to the police station. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/seattle-shooting-protest/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/seattle-sho... While these instances are not widespread, they are incredibly troubling.