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Robinson's non-standard analysis is also discussed (and rejected) in the book I linked to. My book argues (among other things) that while all of the constructio
by georgewsinger 6y ago
Robinson's non-standard analysis is also discussed (and rejected) in the book I linked to. My book argues (among other things) that while all of the constructions of traditional mathematics are logically possible (not very interesting), many of them are metaphysically impossible for any object to instantiate.
For example infinitesimal numbers make no sense, in the sense that there is no such thing (in any possible world) as a positive number that is smaller than every positive real number. Of course, you can definitionally augment `(R+, <)` with formal objects `u` s.t. `u < x` for any `x ∈ R+` (where `R+` designates the positive reals), and then close these under the field operations `(R, +, *)` (I assume this is how infinitesimals are constructed). But that doesn't mean you have written down a model of actual numbers (which include the so-called "infinitesimal" numbers), since there's no such things as infinitesimal numbers.
You could argue "well, maybe infinitesimals aren't actually numbers (and perhaps more strongly: the theory of infinitesimals fails to have any metaphysically possible model), but they are still useful to us". For example: calculus is surely useful to us, and calculus can be built over the "infinitesimals". I don't have anything against this. But many people studying non-standard analysis incorrectly think that because infinitesimal numbers are being formally studied, that must mean there are good arguments out there for their actual existence.
Another incorrect dogma from traditional mathematics has to do with infinities being treated as numbers. Infinities are not numbers, for there is no such thing as a number which is greater than every natural number. There are countable (and even uncountable) collections (that is perfectly coherent). But that doesn't mean infinity is literally a number. Yet in traditional mathematics, it is merely asserted that infinities are numbers (and that indeed there are an infinity of these infinities, that can be ordered by size).
Even the ordering relation is asserted without argument. For example, let `N` be the naturals and `P(N)` be its power set. In traditional mathematics, we say that `|N| < |P(N)|` since every any injective function from `N` to `P(N)` fails to be surjective. Sure, you can define `<` to satisfy this. But that doesn't mean, in reality, the "less than" relation does satisfy this! It is merely asserted, without argument, that `|N| < |P(N)|`, when it would seem to most smart, reflective people (before they are corrupted by years of traditional mathematics training) that `|N|` and `|P(N)|` aren't orderable in the first place, since they are both infinite collections (the former being countable and the latter being uncountable), and infinite collections can't be ordered by their size (in the "less than", "greater than" sense of ordering we use with actual numbers). Of course you can define an ordering on infinite collections using the surjective relation, but that doesn't mean it's mapping onto the actual "numbers ordered by size" relation that we had in mind before we started studying infinite collections. Perhaps this is why beginning students studying infinities in analysis find it so mind-boggling: they're being taught a bunch of forced definitions/constructions which don't actually map onto any real (or even metaphysically possible) models.
When you take the traditional mathematics route literally, you run into all sorts of absurdities. For example, if you treat ∞ as a literal number, you have to patch up the field operations on it. You have to start saying: "∞ + 1 = ∞", which implies it's not the case that "∞ < ∞ + 1". You can find several other examples in that book I linked to.
The original Cantor's function (a function that is continuous everywhere, but has zero derivative almost everywhere) that OP linked to strikes me as something that fails to have a real model. I don't doubt that such a function is logically possible, as constructed. But it likely means our definitions of "continuous", "derivative", "function" (or other such mathematical constructions) are failing to map onto the abstract objects we set out to when we started studying them in the first place.
Sort of like how, in probability theory, you can have events which are possible but nevertheless have probability zero (classic example: throwing a dart at the real number line means that the probability it will land on any particular real number is zero). It's totally logically coherent to set things up this way, but that it is logically possible for this to happen means our foundations/definitions/models are all screwed up (though, I admit, still pretty useful nevertheless).
- ubercow13 6y agoThanks for the detailed response. This critique of maths just doesn't resonate with me at all, though. >that it is logically possible for this to happen means our foundations/definitions/models are all screwed up Why? Simply because it feels unintuitive to you? Where is the useful alternative proposed by this theory? Is there any sound definition of what is 'metaphysically real' and why there is any reason to dismiss things which are not? For example consider FLT - the proof surely uses fields and concepts with countless 'absurdities' inside them. And yet it proved something quite real and tangible. Consider that there may be no alternative proof of FLT. In that case, doesn't that validate those absurd concepts and give them a reality of their own that doesn't require any 'metaphysical' form? They have revealed a truth about the physical natural numbers we can all understand. To me that gives them a very compelling 'realness'. Of course it could be that you can throw out all the absurd definitions and still build a useful enough system to prove such things - I am sure people have tried. Maybe the point is that not enough people have tried?
- georgewsinger 6y agoNot being facetious: I suggest you read the book. It discusses precisely these objections. I should say also the only reason I read this book was because I liked the author's other books which have nothing to do with mathematics. Before reading it I thought "man who gives a shit about philosophy of mathematics? can we just do some real math please?", but this book changed my mind about that. Also: I agree that traditional mathematics is useful. I trust that FLT true (not to mention it's an awesome achievement). And I even trust that proofs which make heavy use of concepts I find philosophically dubious will almost always turn out to still hold when placed under the "right" sort of foundations. There are some exceptions to this though. For example, I absolutely don't trust stuff like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox By "don't trust", I mean I seriously doubt there is anything at all out there in the universe (or in the metaphysically possible universe) that behaves like this. Instead, it's just a logical result which leans heavily on some problematic mathematical assumptions which were never actually justified. It should be taken as a reductio ad absurdem that something went wrong with the inputs (or at least evidence as such). 100+ years ago, people spent time wrestling with the foundations of math, but now it's looked down upon as a waste of time/not "serious" math, etc.