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I don't think it's because people are offended at the use of the word master, in this case. I think, that it's symbolic. By making a point of getting rid of the
by snlacks 6y ago
I don't think it's because people are offended at the use of the word master, in this case. I think, that it's symbolic. By making a point of getting rid of the word master, you're showing that black lives matter.
- techntoke 6y agoWhat about all other races that are discriminated against or people that are bullied? Do those matter?
- gyrgtyn 6y agoterrible
- snlacks 6y agoThis forum should be above intellectually disingenuous comments such as this. This isn't Facebook, I'm not going to meme back at you. If you don't understand BLM at this point, that is a decision you've made and you will live with the moral and other implications. Edit: likewise, it's perfectly reasonable to think the GitHub/git trend is silly or ineffective. But keep in mind that "virtue signalling" goes both ways. When you speak out against what you see as silly, ineffective but is ultimately well meaning, you're virtue signaling that "all lives matter."
- techntoke 6y agoSo you're saying that Muslim people or Native Americans have not been targeted and discriminated against, and rather than have a movement that encourages justice and equality for all we should just focus on one race to unite us all? If I put a sign in my front yard that said White Lives Matter, would that not be considered racist?
- tzs 6y agoI saw someone make an excellent point, when someone else was asking why we have a black history month in the United States but not a white history month. He said that we don't have a white history month because every month is white history month in the United States.
- techntoke 6y agoWhy don't we have a Native American history month, or Hispanic? Is it because those races are just like white people, never have to face discrimination? Never have anyone judge them because of how they look?
- krapp 6y agoNative American Heritage Month is November, Latinx Heritage Month is from September 15 to October 15.
- apta 6y agoWhen's Muslim history month? Jewish history month? Aramaic history month? Japanese history month?
- krapp 6y agoWelp, guess you're right. There probably isn't a specific month-long celebration for every race, religion, culture, ethnicity, nationality, profession or identity on Earth. Although California, at least (possibly other states, it's not worth my time to check), and Canada have Muslim appreciation/history months, and Jewish American Heritage month is in May, as is Asian Pacific American Heritage month.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't bring up tired tropes like that one here. It's never going to change, so we're only going to get a tedious flamewar out of it, which indeed you've been perpetuating downthread—which, please don't. It's not as if we lack for new things to discuss and argue about. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- benmw333 6y agoEvery word to me is violence and so is silence. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't and you're just damned so damnit just kill yourself.
- PlasticTank 6y agoThey are hardly related. Will you be removing my master's degree next?
- phkahler 6y ago>> By making a point of getting rid of the word master, you're showing that black lives matter. Utter Bullshit. You're pandering to a bunch of left wing nutjobs thinking they are doing something important. Why is that person on Twitter "super excited" to be doing this? Probably some form of virtue signaling. If anything it makes light of black lives. The other time I saw a similar complaint was with a SPI bus where there is at least a "slave" node to go with the "master". And at least the person who complained was black that time. Master has more than one meaning and someone feeling like they're changing the world by replacing an accurate and socially benign use of it needs therapy! Yes, I'm projecting but I'm Triggered! I need my safe space!
- ojhughes 6y agoThis sort of opinion is wrongthink. Very dangerous, best to keep your mouth shut and comply
- dang 6y agoPlease keep denunciatory flamewar rhetoric off this site. If you have a substantive point, you should have no trouble expressing it within the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pariahHN 6y agoAre we going to get rid of every word that a plantation owner ever used to insult the slaves? For words that specifically have no purpose other than conveying hate, I can understand stamping them out. But master has quite a few other meanings, most of which I would think existed before institutionalized slavery of black people existed. Seems a bit unproductive to target it. They had supervisors - should we stop using the word supervisor? What about boss? Or plantation? Could not the entire BDSM culture be considered in the same way, with its themes of bondage and servitude? Somehow I doubt that every time a sub asks a dom to crack a whip over their head they are celebrating slavery. How close does a word have to be to an issue relative to its other usages in order to be considered a symbol of that issue above all else?
- tekromancr 6y agoI don't think "Let's reframe problematic work language in terms of kink-culture" is the slam-dunk rhetorical move you think it is.
- pariahHN 6y agoIt wasn't intended to be. It's an actual question - where does the cutoff point lie for something standing on its own vs it being considered a problematic and irredeemable symbol of an atrocity and how do we define it? How do we differentiate between when someone is an asshole or not? I came across an example of this the other day after seeing the word used in a historical text for a class [0,1]. I was fairly certain it did not mean what it sounded like it meant so I looked into it. While the word does not have a definition associated with slavery (that I know of) and is thus arguably further away from the issue than the word master, its phonetics are enough for its usage to result in condemnation. Lives can be ruined, either from an accusation over a misunderstanding or a failure to recognize actual harmful intent. Vagueness creates friction. To solve a problem there needs be a thorough and precise understanding, and when it involves multiple people there also needs to be a sufficiently common definition. [0]: http://www.americanyawp.com/reader/16-capital-and-labor/william-graham-sumner-on-social-darwnism-ca-1880s/ http://www.americanyawp.com/reader/16-capital-and-labor/will... [1]: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Controversies_about_the_word_nig...